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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#21 - 2015-04-02 04:21:11 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.

I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.

Never really thought about it that way around though.


Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#22 - 2015-04-02 04:26:42 UTC
o.O
Back slowly away from the chicken Veers.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2015-04-02 07:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis.
Coming from you, this is absolutely hilarious.

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By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.
You mean criminal acts like mining without a permit?

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#24 - 2015-04-02 08:04:48 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
So in the bumper thread the GM stated that if the same ganker follows the same person from system to system he has reason to file a petition for possible harassment. Since the miner made the effort to move to a different system to get away from him and the fact that the ganker is just targeting him.

I would just like to point out the ganker can prolly do the same thing since you are following him from system to system interfering with his game play.

Never really thought about it that way around though.


Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.

Bumping isn't a criminal activity.

The harassment is a special snowflake rule for miners. There aren't any rules like this when it comes to following haulers, wardec targets, space celebrities and the list goes on.

Just imagine James 315 rolling around in space in this day and age. Half of highsec would be tagging along system to system. Some for the photo-op, others for the pod.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-04-02 15:22:05 UTC
I need a name so I can troll him mercilessly.
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-04-02 16:48:55 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I need a name so I can troll him mercilessly.

+1 And please keep the chat logs or mails if you do. They will be priceless!
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TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2015-04-02 19:56:55 UTC
C&P still seems to be the cesspool of the forums... Keep it up!
Paranoid Loyd
#28 - 2015-04-02 21:05:34 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
o.O
Back slowly away from the chicken Veers.

The blood and feathers are gone, it's just barbules and platelets now.

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#29 - 2015-04-03 04:10:17 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.

I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right?

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Vector Symian
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#30 - 2015-04-03 04:21:00 UTC
Another symptom of a tip for tap system...it is escalating constantly Cool
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#31 - 2015-04-03 04:22:52 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.

I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right?


The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game.

Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2015-04-03 04:33:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.

I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right?


The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game.

Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence.


HAH!

CCP wrote:
CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic

At least put some effort in your trolling Veers, you are slacking.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#33 - 2015-04-03 04:35:01 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Oh dear Kane, where do you come up with these inane theories? I mean from the end boss of Eve, or whatever, I expected a bit more thorough analysis. By definition you cannot be harassing players trying to commit criminal activity in highsec by foiling their evil plans. You are doing a public service, not harassment.

I assume you have some sort of evidence to back up this rebuttal right?


The rules against harassment of miners are based on the idea that if someone comes to peacefully engage in solo PvE highsec play, griefers should not be able to chase him around, ruin his gameplay, and force him from the game.

Not so by bumpers, who engage with other players, and have no claim to desiring a peaceful solo existence.


HAH!

CCP wrote:
CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic

At least put some effort in your trolling Veers, you are slacking.

D.

Bear


Normal? Sure. But inherently interactive with others...hence no ability to complain of harassment.

Not so miners who eschew any player interaction, and can rightly complain when others spoil their game.
Danalee
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Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2015-04-03 06:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Danalee
Veers Belvar wrote:

Normal? Sure. But inherently interactive with others...hence no ability to complain of harassment.
Not so miners who eschew any player interaction, and can rightly complain when others spoil their game.


Look, I'll give it another go, slow day at work;

You claim that if an action is inherently interactive with others, the player doing said action has no ability to complain of harassment.
Correct?
Please: yes or no answer.

If no: Please refrase your statement.
If yes: Unless the miner finishes every mining action with a jettison and destruction of what he mined he is in fact inherently interactive with others. He decreases available ores, he changes market prices for everyone (albeit by small amounts but so does the ganker/bumper) he probably also sticks his T1 drones on rats again causing inflation/deflation depending on the situation.

So you actually say that miners shouln't whine as much and CCP should change their stance on what is harassment.

At least we agree on something.

D.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#35 - 2015-04-03 08:01:34 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~
Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.


This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, I mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#36 - 2015-04-03 18:28:37 UTC
Ahahahahahaaa.. this is gold

1. Carebears complain about people following them around in the game and cry for help from CCP
2. CCP create a rule that following others around is considered harassment to calm down the carebears
3. Carebares start crying because it may now be consideret harassment when following people around

Did I miss something?

Ganking and bumping are considered normal gameplay, just like "anti-ganking". So feel free to continue harassing other players if you feel this rule does not apply to you because you think you are a special space sheriff. But don't come back crying if the ban hammer hits you in the face.

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Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2015-04-03 18:48:27 UTC
Im clearly confused.

At no point in this was a miner sited by the OP and mail writer. It was an AG player right? A player activly engaged in direct oposition to another player. Taking actions across (presumably) a number of systems to stop another player from having any game play. So if a player following another in an effort to disrupt their game play may be harassment, then why is a person bumping a barge or freighter any different than when AG tries to do the same?

If it is good for the goose it should be good for the gander as the saying goes.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#38 - 2015-04-03 21:29:00 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~
Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.


This is a typical ganker whine, look at that, I mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang, so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please.
It was your use of the term exploit, that was frowned upon. And yes, I am fully aware of the dictionary usage of that word, but you know full well it's usage in regards to Eve. Which is why you used it.

At least have something original to troll over.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#39 - 2015-04-04 00:33:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dracvlad wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
~snip~ the AG's that I have seen look at an exploit used by the gankers (cough loot scooping) shrug and get on with it. ~snip~
Loot scooping is an exploit now? Citation needed, until then you're talking out of your arse.


This is a typical ganker whine, look at that,
How wrong you are.

Ask pretty much any C&P regular about myself and how I play the game, not one will say that I'm a ganker. In fact I'm known for being the exact opposite.

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mention this loot scooping that gankers do and the reaction of the anti-gankers was well based on the mechanics what else could CCP do and yet I am an arse for mentioning it, yes its an exploitation of a mechanic which cannot be changed by CCP because on the other basis it would enable gankers to drop stuff in a fleet hanger and cause them to go suspect and bang,
It's not an exploit and CCP can change it at any time if they feel like it .
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so cry more please, whining about me not whining about it was so funny, post more garbage please.
I think we'll leave that to you, your expertise at spewing forth uninformed shite is matched by few posters.

BTW Paragraphs and punctuation are important skills to have, I suggest you try utilising them.

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#40 - 2015-04-04 02:14:07 UTC
One time in Uedama we were transferring billions in material from a wreck to a fleet hangar using shuttles and noob ships. Every shuttle, noob ship, and not a few pods were systematically destroyed in what must have looked like a massacre to the triumphant white knights. Local chat was flooded with 0 isk and CONCORD killmails. Fleet morale plummeted. In the end we had to admit total defeat on comms. We had lost about 50,000 isk worth of shuttles and free noob ships and only gained several billion in material that we used to buy more ganking gear.

It was a dark day, let's not talk about loot scooping bitte Cry

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