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Gallenteans have started the war and now are lying about it
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Horflimathien
Wolf Brothers INC
United Neopian Federation
#21 - 2015-03-24 22:39:50 UTC
Xadiran wrote:
Why were the stations shields down?
Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-03-25 01:45:49 UTC
Komodo Askold wrote:
Personally, I'm quite confident the whole Caldari-Gallente war started because some extremist terrorist groups from both sides decided to turn up the heat. Or even worse, a single secret organization planned the Nouvelle Rouvenor attack and others, so that a war would ensue. If you think about it, it could perfectly be the case. What would you say, Caldari and Gallente people, if your war and mutual hate was organized by a third party?

Now excuse me while I hide from several secret-agent killteams.


Nouvelle Rouvenor was orchestrated by the Templis Dragonaur, a Caldari supremacist group. That was never a secret.

The identity who sabotage the station shields? Now that's a mystery.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Alvarez Akachi
CSR Star Command
Citizen's Star Republic
#23 - 2015-03-25 03:55:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvarez Akachi
Ok, ok despite anything else lets lay the Malkalen incident to rest.........especially you Dianna.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alexander_Noir

If read this and other reports....Admiral Noir was actually long dead before the Saint crashed into the Ishukone station that was actually waiting for it to show up and dock.....no traitors, no shielding compromised.

The Broker had a deadly feud going on with the Ishukone CEO because of the fact he allowed the Guristas to get the blueprints for Raven Class Battleships instead of selling them to him.

And for every one else that sits in Dianna's litle corner of ignorance......

The capsuleer militias were created simultaneuosly on YC 110 06-10 when all Empires basically declared war on each other.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-concord-announces-authorization-of-emergency-militia-war-powers-act/

Now other than those sordid messes straightened out ...........

The Gallente did attempt to destroy Caldari Economic Power when we were CO-Founders of the Federation, they did blockade and assault our Citizenry when we refused to give up our colonies beyond federation borders seeking to escape Gallentean Imperialism.

They razed our cities, murdered our kin, and so to war we all went.
They also reneged on the peace treaty agreements made by Tibus Heth after we re-took Caldari Prime once.
Thankfully Ishukone is currently overseeing adminastration of at least half that world.

Truthfully the Gallente just need to let it fully go back into our control.....and Back the Hell off.
Only then may a lasting peace be possible.
But not Before.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-03-25 04:02:22 UTC
((You do realise that The Broker is not knowledge available IC-ly right?))

The Broker? As much as I hate that guy for fleecing me every time I put up a market order, condemning him for Malkaven is too harsh.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-03-25 04:39:51 UTC
It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this.


PS:
Horflimathien wrote:
Xadiran wrote:
Why were the stations shields down?
Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!


Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns!
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-03-25 04:45:41 UTC
Kel hound wrote:
It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this.


PS:
Horflimathien wrote:
Xadiran wrote:
Why were the stations shields down?
Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!


Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns!


I say, we should put all the blame on The Head of Security rather than The Broker for Malkaven. Station shields integrity and maintenance is HIS responsibility, after all.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-03-25 05:48:56 UTC
Kel hound wrote:
It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this.


PS:
Horflimathien wrote:
Xadiran wrote:
Why were the stations shields down?
Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!


Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns!


What's stupid? That the Jovians orchestrated the Malkalen disaster? Lets look at the facts.

> Malkalen
> Malkalen rhymes with Pitchmen
> Pitchmen are involved in business
> Business
> The Caldari love business
> Caldari
> Caldari rhymes with Calamari
> Caldari has seven letters. Calamari has eight letters
> 8+7=15
> There were fifteen furriers killed in the Malkalen Disaster
> What does this have to do with the Jove? I'm glad you asked!

> Amarrians like furriers
> Amarrians like the Empress
> Does this mean that the Empress is a furrier in disguise?
> Yes!
> In fact, the whole Amarrian royal family are furriers.
> The Amarrians once fought the Jovians
> This means that furriers once fought the Jovians
> We're getting close. We just need to use maths.

> Furrier has 7 letters.
> Jovians has 7 letters
> 7 x 7 = 49
> Malkalen has 8 letters
> 49- 8= 41
> 41 rhymes with hot buns
> hot has 3 letters
> Pod has 3 letters
> Jovians made the Pod.

We now know that Malkalen= Jovians CONFIRMED

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#28 - 2015-03-25 05:49:14 UTC
What's the point in reopening this old wound Pilot Kim?

In all honesty there's been plenty of blood on both Federal and State hands over the years. Looking backwards and attempting to assign blame will not help the cause of peace. It's time to move forward by finding areas of agreement and cooperation where possible and attempt to build some semblance of trust.

Of course, I don't get the feeling that peace and cooperation is what you desire.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-03-25 06:40:02 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
What's the point in reopening this old wound Pilot Kim?

In all honesty there's been plenty of blood on both Federal and State hands over the years. Looking backwards and attempting to assign blame will not help the cause of peace. It's time to move forward by finding areas of agreement and cooperation where possible and attempt to build some semblance of trust.

Of course, I don't get the feeling that peace and cooperation is what you desire.


I think the wounds, on her part, didn't even heal, and continues to bleed (probably because she kept picking the scabs). That or she has it in her best interest to keep the war going because, well, it really doesn't look like she's suited to life of peace. What else can she do, but shoot those she consider her enemies? If the war between the Caldari and the Gallente ends with the extermination of all Gallente, then Minmatar, and possibly Amarr as well, what's left for her? Can you imagine her being in a corporate office filling up purchase orders?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-03-25 10:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kel hound
Nick Bete wrote:
In all honesty there's been plenty of blood on both Federal and State hands over the years. Looking backwards and attempting to assign blame will not help the cause of peace. It's time to move forward by finding areas of agreement and cooperation where possible and attempt to build some semblance of trust.


I agree completely. Trust is something earned, and earning trust cannot be done through times of war. These petty proxy wars over border disputes only serve to hurt those who live there, using us capsulers as the weapon of choice. It needs to stop.


Elmund Egivand wrote:
If the war between the Caldari and the Gallente ends with the extermination of all Gallente, then Minmatar, and possibly Amarr as well, what's left for her? Can you imagine her being in a corporate office filling up purchase orders?


Sleepers? Pirates? Political dissidents? In any case I am quite certain that if she were reassigned to a desk job that it would be the most efficiently run desk in the State.


Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Space madness
Lots of space madness

We now know that Malkalen= Jovians CONFIRMED


Who ties your shoe laces for you in the morning?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-04-02 22:28:07 UTC
Komodo Askold wrote:
Personally, I'm quite confident the whole Caldari-Gallente war started because some extremist terrorist groups from both sides decided to turn up the heat. Or even worse, a single secret organization planned the Nouvelle Rouvenor attack and others, so that a war would ensue. If you think about it, it could perfectly be the case. What would you say, Caldari and Gallente people, if your war and mutual hate was organized by a third party?

Now excuse me while I hide from several secret-agent killteams.

That incident happened almost two hundred years ago. I don't know if it was third party or us, but Gallentes were rather offensive even back then, when it happened, they were already blockading our home.

War is profitable for those, who are creating weapons and ships, their involvement here... might be. But in this case I think it is clash of interests, that we are fighting for.

For Caldari the goal is to stay safe from humiliation of Gallentean influence and to keep our worlds for ourselves, prevent occupation and defend civilians.

Gallente all the time were trying to "gallenteanize" us, attacking with media, propaganda or straightforward military force. One way or another, they want to establish unquestioned domination over other cultures. When we resist their brainwashing and media, they resort to violence. And that's what happened when this war has started.

Please excuse me I didn't answer earlier.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-04-02 22:31:09 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


Nouvelle Rouvenor was orchestrated by the Templis Dragonaur, a Caldari supremacist group. That was never a secret.

The identity who sabotage the station shields? Now that's a mystery.

Look at direction of who has gained the most after this incident.
There were basically no profit. Damaged station and lost lives. But one of the lives that was lost was the life of Megacorporation CEO. And that fact has freed the seat for someone else. You know whom I am speaking about.

Back then he was cheif of their security, if I remember correctly. Could you think about a better position from which you would get control over station facilities?...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-04-02 22:34:35 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Kel hound wrote:
It doesn't matter any more who started it. Pointing fingers and playing the blame-game amounts to little more than school yard children crying to the teacher that 'Billy pulled my hair first' as an excuse for why one started throwing rocks. There are grievances on both sides, and blood that will never wash away. What is important is that we look beyond the pain, beyond the hate, and find a way to peacefully resolve our differences. The Caldari and Gallente people are brothers and sisters alike. We share common heritage and it is not right that we should fight like this.


PS:
Horflimathien wrote:
Xadiran wrote:
Why were the stations shields down?
Nyx fuel can't melt Caldari steel beams.

Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Reactor fuel can't melt Tritanium beams!


Ooooh you went there. You went there. I can feel my individual brain cells committing suicide, one after the other. Ooooh the pain is real. The pain is real. The stupid! The stupid, it burns!


What's stupid? That the Jovians orchestrated the Malkalen disaster? Lets look at the facts.

> Malkalen
> Malkalen rhymes with Pitchmen
> Pitchmen are involved in business
> Business
> The Caldari love business
> Caldari
> Caldari rhymes with Calamari
> Caldari has seven letters. Calamari has eight letters
> 8+7=15
> There were fifteen furriers killed in the Malkalen Disaster
> What does this have to do with the Jove? I'm glad you asked!

> Amarrians like furriers
> Amarrians like the Empress
> Does this mean that the Empress is a furrier in disguise?
> Yes!
> In fact, the whole Amarrian royal family are furriers.
> The Amarrians once fought the Jovians
> This means that furriers once fought the Jovians
> We're getting close. We just need to use maths.

> Furrier has 7 letters.
> Jovians has 7 letters
> 7 x 7 = 49
> Malkalen has 8 letters
> 49- 8= 41
> 41 rhymes with hot buns
> hot has 3 letters
> Pod has 3 letters
> Jovians made the Pod.

We now know that Malkalen= Jovians CONFIRMED

> Pot is a kettle.
Thanks for an excellent show of how wretched and twisted gallentean logic can be to try to hide your obvious crimes and blame in them someone else.

Dishonorable hypocritical gallente. You will never win. Your lies are stupid and has no power here. Nobody will trust you anymore.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2015-04-02 23:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Diana Kim wrote:
< insert: "Grrr, Gallente. And some foaming at the mouth", here >

Good to see you back Kimmy I missed you.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#35 - 2015-04-02 23:54:35 UTC
Why does this thread still have a spot on the front page? How is this even still a thing, is this a thing?

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-04-03 00:50:34 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Why does this thread still have a spot on the front page? How is this even still a thing, is this a thing?



Why do we still hear you whine about "your people" and how you're going to "come for them?"

It's not like the Empire is hiding them after all. I mean really, if you want your people so bad, I'll buy some for you.

Feel that sting?

Now you have an inkling of what the Caldari feel. By siding with the Federation, your Republic just traded one set of Masters for another.





"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-04-03 00:54:54 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


Now you have an inkling of what the Caldari feel. By siding with the Federation, your Republic just traded one set of Masters for another.



I was going to avoid this thread but this little comment warrants a quick retort.

A "master" would need to tell them what to do, how to do it and when to do it. The Federation does none of these things. I suppose that may be difficult to comprehend for those living within the structure of the Amarr Empire or Khanid Kingdom.

Please, carry on.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2015-04-03 01:01:46 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
I was going to avoid this thread but this little comment warrants a quick retort.



Warp drive: Active.


Liam Antolliere wrote:
A "master" would need to tell them what to do, how to do it and when to do it. The Federation does none of these things. I suppose that may be difficult to comprehend for those living within the structure of the Amarr Empire or Khanid Kingdom.

Please, carry on.



Well if that's what you believe and you actually felt you had to race to get your opinion posted, I doubt you will believe me when I say, you know nothing of interstellar politics.

I do hope you didn't strain anything in your haste.

I have some business to attend to. Please feel free to take several of the usual insults and hurl them at yourself.

Blessings!


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-04-03 05:35:27 UTC
The Federation brainwashes people, they don't give direct orders, however even in their entertainment media they set inclination to weak minded to follow their wretched standards and inhuman ideals like freedom, democracy, individualism and hedonism, bringing in worst side of humans.

Tell me, what is worse:
1) If your master orders you once to do indecent thing;
2) Or if you see every day and every night, in the news, in entertainment, in advertisements, that you must do the indecent thing.

Please think about this and realize what the Federation is doing.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Xadiran
Moira.
#40 - 2015-04-03 07:11:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
...their wretched standards and inhuman ideals like freedom, democracy, individualism...



I...don't even know what to think anymore.

You heard it here everyone, freedom is apparently inhuman.