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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#381 - 2015-04-02 21:36:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Which makes perfect sense to me, EVE only really gets real once you realize that you can lose.


Do tell.

What have you participated in with any risk of losing? Awoxing? Miner bumping?

You're not exactly an authority on any part of this game except taking advantage of unarmed opponents. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Just stop acting like you are something you're not.

Be proud of who you are, Kaarous. There's no shame in being afraid to engage someone that might shoot back. Own your fear.

Mr Epeen Cool
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#382 - 2015-04-02 21:36:41 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Do you actually do this IRL too?[/url]
Not empty quoting

P
I love that one! :D


This one should be a thing here!
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#383 - 2015-04-02 21:37:04 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Which makes perfect sense to me, EVE only really gets real once you realize that you can lose.


Do tell.

What have you participated in with any risk of losing? Awoxing? Miner bumping?

You're not exactly an authority on any part of this game except taking advantage of unarmed opponents. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Just stop acting like you are something you're not.

Be proud of who you are, Kaarous. There's no shame in being afraid to engage someone that might shoot back. Own your fear.

Mr Epeen Cool


Says the forum alt.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Paranoid Loyd
#384 - 2015-04-02 21:39:50 UTC
Pots and kettles everywhere.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#385 - 2015-04-02 21:42:17 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Pots and kettles everywhere.


I'd love a cup of tea, please.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Paranoid Loyd
#386 - 2015-04-02 21:42:52 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Pots and kettles everywhere.


I'd love a cup of tea, please.

One lump or two?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#387 - 2015-04-02 21:43:34 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Steppa Musana wrote:
Because that isn't the conclusion your ilk are going with. You might be an exception, but mostly your kind are using this as evidence that the griefing that occurs in highsec has a positive affect on player retention. Nonsense.
Making people like you froth at the mouth is reason enough to make claims like this, even more so when a CCP case study appears to back it up.


It appears to back it up to some people, but they're just misreading the data to suit their own views. I love statistics Bear
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#388 - 2015-04-02 21:43:43 UTC
The sky is green, I tell you.

I saw it with my own damn eyes.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#389 - 2015-04-02 21:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Eve Solecist wrote:

You take the facts.
You stick them somewhere.
When an ******* comes along, you point at the facts and tell him to shut up.

No discussions.
No argueing.
No debate.


Facts and HTFU.

Often I'd agree with that sentiment.

At other times, I think this forum is as much a part of the rich experience of Eve as the game itself is.

I know personally I'm as connected to what happens here as I am to shooting someone in the face in game, so firing volleys from one trench at another entrenched player with neither giving ground in a debate/argument can still be enjoyable. Futile at times, but enjoyable.

I also think 'flavour of the month' is a thing CCP listens to and makes changes to the game based on community outcry. So in the absence of everyone agreeing on something, both sides are just as important to express just to ensure petty things don't become the target of the latest FOTM.

Facts certainly help though. Just some people refuse to believe them.
Paranoid Loyd
#390 - 2015-04-02 21:44:36 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
The sky is green, I tell you.

I saw it with my own damn eyes.

There's just an incursion in the system.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#391 - 2015-04-02 21:45:41 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Which makes perfect sense to me, EVE only really gets real once you realize that you can lose.


Do tell.

What have you participated in with any risk of losing? Awoxing? Miner bumping?

You're not exactly an authority on any part of this game except taking advantage of unarmed opponents. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Just stop acting like you are something you're not.

Be proud of who you are, Kaarous. There's no shame in being afraid to engage someone that might shoot back. Own your fear.

Mr Epeen Cool


Says the forum alt.


No, I don't mind engaging the worthless anklebiter this once, even if he is making a false claim for credentials fallacy.

Since I began playing EVE, I have engaged in fleet combat in nullsec as a line member. Quit that, then ended up rolling this guy as an alt, since my main was somewhat untenable thanks to a particularly bad doxx. This guy has been in faction warfare for a while, got out of that after winning the warzone with Fweddit. Then, in between helping out with missions, ran a bunch of fleet ops (logi, most often, since this guy is a Guardian pilot) with my old alliance, the ROC, in both low and null, as well as with their wormhole corp for a while. Quit that because poses made me want to pull out my fillings.

In between, on alt accounts, I have been a fairly prolific awoxer and ganker, dabbling presently in highsec wars with this excellent and real life friendly corp in CODE. I also dabble in margin trade scams and some pretty awful marketing, since I speculate pretty damn badly.

So I've done a large proportion of what EVE Online has to offer.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#392 - 2015-04-02 21:56:24 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
The sky is green, I tell you.

I saw it with my own damn eyes.

There's just an incursion in the system.


Hey! I saw you in Devoid looting wrecks off a gate. Stealer!
Paranoid Loyd
#393 - 2015-04-02 22:01:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
The sky is green, I tell you.

I saw it with my own damn eyes.

There's just an incursion in the system.


Hey! I saw you in Devoid looting wrecks off a gate. Stealer!

I saw you too, but I do the shooting not the looting. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#394 - 2015-04-02 22:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ria Nieyli wrote:
It appears to back it up to some people, but they're just misreading the data to suit their own views. I love statistics

Which part of CCP Rise saying that people who get ganked are the most likely group to stay, with people in the otherwise killed by other players the 2nd most likely group to stay while people who don't die at all are most likely to leave the game, is ambiguous?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#395 - 2015-04-02 22:29:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Steppa Musana wrote:
Because that isn't the conclusion your ilk are going with. You might be an exception, but mostly your kind are using this as evidence that the griefing that occurs in highsec has a positive affect on player retention. Nonsense.
Making people like you froth at the mouth is reason enough to make claims like this, even more so when a CCP case study appears to back it up.


It appears to back it up to some people, but they're just misreading the data to suit their own views. I love statistics Bear
Which part of CCP Rise saying that people who get ganked are most likely stay, with people in the otherwise killed by other players 2nd most likely to stay, while people who don't die at all are most likely to leave the game is ambiguous?

CCP Rise's presentation doesn't go as far as explicitly stating that "highsec griefing" has a positive effect on player retention., the presentation he gave certainly seems to suggest that "highsec griefing" doesn't appear to be having a negative effect.

Your use of griefing is inappropriate btw, the dictionary definition doesn't count when those activities are recognised and encouraged by the developer of a game, as is the case with Eve.


Where did I say griefing in my post?

As for the other question: EVE is marketed as a PvP game, people come in expecting to experience some. Ergo, concordedly, vis-a-vis it would be expected that they stay if they do. I don't know why people are chestbeating about it so much.

It's like reading about all the horrible scams that can occur in the game and how you can't trust anyone. Then you start to play and people warn you about the Goons because... they'll scam you. Well, duh?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#396 - 2015-04-02 22:36:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
^^
Sorry my bad, I derped and pasted where I should have copied, only the first paragraph should have been posted.

Apologies Oops

Post edited.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Jenshae Chiroptera
#397 - 2015-04-02 23:27:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Frostys Virpio wrote:
James kinda pretend to be space Jesus...
You get that also?! The way the CODE fanatics press The Order on people has me refering to them to other people as, "Space Jehovahs" or "SJ"s now. P
Eve Solecist wrote:
... It was CCP who wondered if it was true what carebears claimed. They checked, if it was true that a high amount of new players is being griefed out of the game by being ganked, or ...
Obvious flaw here. Ask 100 random carebears what determines new player and you will have 50 different answers.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#398 - 2015-04-03 00:05:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Dots wrote:

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Besides that, you know what part of the existing tutorial I approve of? The one that blows up your ship and sends you home in a pod. I've had more new players latch on about that than anything else in the whole tutorial.

Which makes perfect sense to me, EVE only really gets real once you realize that you can lose.


But doesn't Kirk teach us that the only way to beat the Kobayashi Maru is to cheat?



True, but not all of us are Space Jesus. Or, if you're going to go Sisko on me, Black Space Jesus either.


You called, my son?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#399 - 2015-04-03 00:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
... It was CCP who wondered if it was true what carebears claimed. They checked, if it was true that a high amount of new players is being griefed out of the game by being ganked, or ...
Obvious flaw here. Ask 100 random carebears what determines new player and you will have 50 different answers.
For the purpose of his presentation his definition is the only one that counts, our definitions are irrelevant.

That said I'd be interested in seeing the results of any future studies done with extended timescales.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#400 - 2015-04-03 00:16:47 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Obvious flaw here. Ask 100 random carebears what determines new player and you will have 50 different answers.


I'm not even going to speculate as to why you're so desperate to disqualify this data.

Because I'm pretty sure most of the people here already know.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.