EVE General Discussion

Dots is a Sibyyl knock-off. And a noob. Gank her out of the game!

Personally, I've often wondered about the ramifications of the Venture Killing Contest. It's not absurd to suggest that it did more good than harm, and got people engaged and shaken out of the coma that is highsec mining.

Besides that, you know what part of the existing tutorial I approve of? The one that blows up your ship and sends you home in a pod. I've had more new players latch on about that than anything else in the whole tutorial.

Which makes perfect sense to me, EVE only really gets real once you realize that you can lose.

True, but not all of us are Space Jesus. Or, if you're going to go Sisko on me, Black Space Jesus either.

James kinda pretend to be space Jesus...

I have some thoughts about stuff possibly worth looking at, but I can't say whether they'll return any meaningful results.

For example:
What ships were the new characters in?
What systems did the ganks happen in, and how far from the starter system was it?
Were the ganked characters ganked again?
Was there a chat initiated between the ganker and gankee?



I dunno about anybody else, but I did not claim the data is wrong. I'm said that it doesn't support the conclusion that "ganking promotes higher player retention rates." The study shows two things. First, that only 1% of new players are ganked within their first 15 days, and from that we can conclude that CCP working to reduce ganking, like some suggest, will most likely not result in much if any increase in new character retention. Second, it shows that the 1% who were ganked were more likely to be retained - but we can't say whether that's because of the gank or for some other reason.

Because that isn't the conclusion your ilk are going with. You might be an exception, but mostly your kind are using this as evidence that the griefing that occurs in highsec has a positive affect on player retention. Nonsense.

Even in the scope of trial users... why are these players staying more often? The study suggests that players shot in their first 15 days are more likely to stay, no argument. But does that mean shooting players in their first 15 days increases their chance of staying? Nope, even that lighter conclusion is unsubstantiated.

It could be that new players getting shot are putting more time into the game. They like the game more, thats why they are staying. In liking the game more, they put more time into it, and there chance of being shot goes up.

It could be that new players getting shot are more into that kind of gameplay. They put themselves at that risk because they dont care, or want to try it out. Its not shooting them that retains them, its there mentality. Shooting the person without that mentality will not help retain him.

So theres really a lot of ways to look at the data, but you have to actually be honest and not self serving to get to that point. And your kind, you and a few others aside, are the most dishonest and self serving group in the game today.

You sound like a racist redneck.

Making people like you froth at the mouth is reason enough to make claims like this, even more so when a CCP case study appears to back it up.

While CCP Rise's presentation doesn't go as far as explicitly stating that "highsec griefing" has a positive effect on player retention, the presentation he gave certainly seems to suggest that "highsec griefing" doesn't appear to be having a negative effect.

Your use of griefing is inappropriate btw, the dictionary definition doesn't count when those activities are recognised and encouraged by the developer of a game, as is the case with Eve

The study was to see if ganking and other PvP affected new player retention, your question of why people who get shot at stay longer is outside the limited scope of the study, in fact it'd be a whole new study.

The right mentality is essential, I think that may be the first thing I've ever seen you post that I can agree with; looks like hell just froze over.

Given your expertise in these matters...

Do you actually do this IRL too?

I mean ... this argueing with someone. It's like argueing about god and religion.


Does god exist?
Is ganking bad for new players?


When different beliefs clash together,
*talking about what's true* is the most nonsensical thing to do.


You take the facts.
You stick them somewhere.
When an ******* comes along, you point at the facts and tell him to shut up.

No discussions.
No argueing.
No debate.


Facts and HTFU.




*sighs* maybe next month ...