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Name change service "sooner rather than later"

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#161 - 2015-03-31 14:26:49 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

+1

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Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2015-03-31 15:16:18 UTC
Reislier wrote:
Why buy character that is hated by many and has bad standings set on how many people?
This makes the character market totally useless to me..
I don't need someone else problems.

I might buy a refurbished pilot.
I would not buy a hated piece of crap with wanted posters all over Eve.

I agree totally.

I was thinking more along the line of selling blameless alts in newb corps (I've been informed people do this for extra isk, and it's probably something I should look into). Those can be flagged for a once-in-a-lifetime-name-change.
Talvorian Dex
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#163 - 2015-03-31 20:09:06 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c


I tend to agree. And Eve is about choices and consequences, right. If you named your character something stupid, that's your problem.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2015-03-31 20:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

why do people keep arguing "its fine if they just show an old names tab"

what happens when several identical names are used by dozens or more people who have each used dozens of names over a period of YEARS, you gotta remember, there are people who have played eve for over 10 years straight, "previously known as" tabs only work so long as there isnt a list of 50+ names and time periods to sort through

Wow fantastic, you've identified a problem that's completely unworkable, there's no way CCP could ever impose some sort of limit like having players expend PLEX to change their character's name at most once a year or something.

And FYI, the "oh they can only do it so fast/often, it wont ever become a problem" is why supers'titans keep needing nerfs, basing a design decision on "oh but it would take SO LONG to become a problem" is terrible for ANY game that is wanted/expected to last longer than 5 years, EVE has already lasted 12, what happens if you do this and it lasts another 12, 20, 25? itll become silly


*edit* besides all that, reputation is important in EVE, If i wanna talk about chribba to somebody new, I wanna say "Chribba did this here, then this here, oh and shortly ago he did this" not "Chribba, or Tex as youd know him, did these trades back in this year under this name, and these trades under this name the following year, oh and he stole some stuff this year uner yet another name, and thats why he swapped to Tex, and next year hell probably be known as something different"

for the sake of consistency name changes are bad, because EXPLAINING who was who when, where, why, and what happened becomes absolutely appaling after but a couple changes
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#165 - 2015-03-31 22:07:50 UTC
UberFly wrote:
I approve of this change. Being able to put a new name on a purchased character would be sweet! No more skipping on a nice toon because it's named "fluffyMcPuddinPop" or something even worse.

While I too would like to be able to change the name of a purchased character (that's always put me off the whole system), realistically, I don't think the service could be implemented that narrowly. And I don't like the idea of the character name changing if the player's identity hasn't. Even if their previous names are displayed somewhere, it will be a UI nightmare.

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Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#166 - 2015-04-01 00:34:39 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c


Yeah, it isn't like people make legions of alts to do all kinds of nefarious things while they live with sterling reputations on their main. That never happens.

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beakerax
Pator Tech School
#167 - 2015-04-01 08:49:39 UTC
I was thinking about this some more.

Suppose that, in addition to a character name, you could optionally select a display name as well. Display names can be changed, can be searched, and don't have to be unique. The behaviour of character names ("pilot identities"?) remains exactly the same as now.

The key point is that display names and character names are shown alongside each other wherever this is practical. So your little UI widget (in the chat sidebar or in character search results), might look like this:

[ ಠ ಠ ] Pope Urban XXII
[ ––– ] urbanguy84

(that's the portrait on the left, if you couldn't tell)

This would free people from their immutable character name a bit, and would mitigate (though not eliminate) the horrible cross-referencing that would result from true name changes.

But I don't know if people who want to change their names would be happy with it, so maybe this is a solution for no-one. *shrug*
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2015-04-01 09:39:02 UTC
beakerax wrote:
I was thinking about this some more.

Suppose that, in addition to a character name, you could optionally select a display name as well. Display names can be changed, can be searched, and don't have to be unique. The behaviour of character names ("pilot identities"?) remains exactly the same as now.

The key point is that display names and character names are shown alongside each other wherever this is practical. So your little UI widget (in the chat sidebar or in character search results), might look like this:

[ ಠ ಠ ] Pope Urban XXII
[ ––– ] urbanguy84

(that's the portrait on the left, if you couldn't tell)

This would free people from their immutable character name a bit, and would mitigate (though not eliminate) the horrible cross-referencing that would result from true name changes.

But I don't know if people who want to change their names would be happy with it, so maybe this is a solution for no-one. *shrug*


Your drawing is better than your thinking. But p-sure id suggest ceasing both
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#169 - 2015-04-01 09:42:14 UTC
I like you too.
Valencia Mariana
School of Applied Knowledge
#170 - 2015-04-01 12:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Valencia Mariana
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c


Yeah, it isn't like people make legions of alts to do all kinds of nefarious things while they live with sterling reputations on their main. That never happens.


But at least they have a reputation on their main. Burning a 60m SP main is not something one does lightly. Sure people can create alts but who trusts some low SP toon anyway? If they buy a toon or invest months of waiting then that's cool, its effort, reward and risk all factored in.

Regarding the sale of characters. There is no way to know if the sale is legit, I could create a thread right now, sale my toon, buy it on my alt and boom. Anyone who does not consider this when auditing accounts is naive. So saying the sale of a character is a valid reason to start fresh is therefore also very naive. There is no way of validating if the identity of the character has even changed or rather is it being laundered to trick slack recruiters? If you buy an account your buying that identity, if you want your own, unique identity then start a new toon like everyone else.

Furthermore a "history" of name changes is pointless. I already have to check multiple APIs and do searches on multiple character names. If any accounts have been traded then I have even more things to check and build a paperwork trail. Then if we introduce name changes? How many search per character will that mean? The volume of work to legitimately build a picture of a persons personality and intent would become to much for most sane people.

Changing names should never be implemented. Why are they even "discussing" it. Intrigue is such a huge part of the meta game, damaging it just so people can have a pretty name is not to the benefit of the sandbox.

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Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#171 - 2015-04-02 04:51:28 UTC
Quote:
But at least they have a reputation on their main.


Which is just so much fairy farts, because it isn't the character that is doing things, it is the player. The sterling reputation is just as much a lie as any subterfuge that could be undergone with a name change. Your argument concerning the gravitas of buying expensive characters to do unsavory things is redonkulous. I don't need 60 million skill points to rip someone off, or to run a scam. Hell I don't need any skill points to do that.

Quote:
Sure people can create alts but who trusts some low SP toon anyway?


Roll Gee I don't know, the same people that buy hangar clearance contracts?

Identity is so mutable in EVE, honestly, it doesn't matter if they allow name changes or not, when it comes to reputation, history, ect. ect. The ability to change names will only ever be an aesthetic issue, and a low priority one at that. Right up there (or down there if you will) with changing your race or bloodline and the racially restricted clothing options being expanded; that's all your reputation is, roll play. Roll play currently supported by a legacy game mechanic which is no real hindrance to anyone that doesn't want to roll play that way, or at all. And roll play, although fun, is just so much fairy farts.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Valencia Mariana
School of Applied Knowledge
#172 - 2015-04-02 08:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Valencia Mariana
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
Quote:
But at least they have a reputation on their main.


Which is just so much fairy farts, because it isn't the character that is doing things, it is the player. The sterling reputation is just as much a lie as any subterfuge that could be undergone with a name change. Your argument concerning the gravitas of buying expensive characters to do unsavory things is redonkulous. I don't need 60 million skill points to rip someone off, or to run a scam. Hell I don't need any skill points to do that.


I'm not sure you understand the concept on intrigue here. The reputation is not a lie. Your correct it is only one persona of a player but it still has reputation tied to it. Once you "burn" that toon (by committing an act of sabotage for example) that reputation is gone. It's a meaningful choice. To repeat it you need to source a fresh identity. If you commit to investing 6 months training a new one, or buying one for tens of billions that's fine, it's required effort, risk and reward.

Sure you can scam on a 0sp alt but what's your point? You still limited to jita scams which is completely fine.

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Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#173 - 2015-04-02 08:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mithandra
I vote no. However :-

If it is implemented, the change of name should be a permanent record on the employment history so it can be traceable by recruiters, as a minimum

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IcyMind Arierep
Elysian Technologies Enclave
Fraternity.
#174 - 2015-04-02 13:42:08 UTC
Definetly no, is hard as it is remembering everyones name... not even adding a tab with previous name is a solution.
I don't like it.

The only case i would allow it , if is under certain conditaion like 1 week old character and that it. Because i seen people with strange names or just number, and probably the did not knew better. In 1 week you have not created any influence in a system. Thats the only way i will support it.
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ISD Alliance
#175 - 2015-04-02 18:23:31 UTC
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#176 - 2015-04-02 18:36:48 UTC
If it were possible it should REQUIRE a name history on the bio tab, and searches/links to the previous name should result in the current character name.

You can change your name IRL but you also have a very public paper trail of that change as well.

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Erin Crawford
#177 - 2015-04-02 18:57:05 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
If it were possible it should REQUIRE a name history on the bio tab, and searches/links to the previous name should result in the current character name.

You can change your name IRL but you also have a very public paper trail of that change as well.

Exactly this.

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Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#178 - 2015-04-03 03:02:26 UTC
Valencia Mariana wrote:
Asura Vajrarupa wrote:
Quote:
But at least they have a reputation on their main.


Which is just so much fairy farts, because it isn't the character that is doing things, it is the player. The sterling reputation is just as much a lie as any subterfuge that could be undergone with a name change. Your argument concerning the gravitas of buying expensive characters to do unsavory things is redonkulous. I don't need 60 million skill points to rip someone off, or to run a scam. Hell I don't need any skill points to do that.


I'm not sure you understand the concept on intrigue here. The reputation is not a lie. Your correct it is only one persona of a player but it still has reputation tied to it. Once you "burn" that toon (by committing an act of sabotage for example) that reputation is gone. It's a meaningful choice. To repeat it you need to source a fresh identity. If you commit to investing 6 months training a new one, or buying one for tens of billions that's fine, it's required effort, risk and reward.

Sure you can scam on a 0sp alt but what's your point? You still limited to jita scams which is completely fine.


You're adorably naive.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#179 - 2015-04-03 05:56:16 UTC
Chance Ravinne wrote:
If it were possible it should REQUIRE a name history on the bio tab, and searches/links to the previous name should result in the current character name.

You can change your name IRL but you also have a very public paper trail of that change as well.


That is exactly the proposed implementation

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Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#180 - 2015-04-03 06:23:11 UTC
I may be biased because I'd like to change my name, but I think it's funny how people seem to care so much about reputation when the game already allows alts and character trading.

Surely a name history is much more reputable than the legions of faceless, corpless, alts that plague EVE.