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Proposition for Anti-Drifter Strike Force

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Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-04-01 17:15:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomistrav
Formalizing a proposition to put together an Strike Force with the sole intention of removing the Drifter threat until we can further understand their motives and objectives. We know for a fact that they are hostile in the right conditions and whatever they are harvesting corpses for, with the aid of the Sleepers, can't be good.

That being said, I'm offering my combat experience to the mix as well and ask that my fellow Capsuleers join me in this endeavor as it will surely take a great deal of coordination and firepower to actively engage and strike out against them. I will also join any coordinated effort to engage the Drifter threat that is within my capabilities.

Further more, I cannot expect that any capsuleer would risk their engagements and endeavors for free. As such I am formally requesting CONCORD to escalate the Drifters' notoriety in the form of standardized bounties. Until such an event occurs, I myself am offering what I can: 10,000,000 ISK for each confirmed Drifter kill. I encourage others to offer what they can to increase the incentive toward this movement.

UPDATE: A formal thank you toward the alliance, Overload Everything, for fielding their own fleet and destroying a Drifter recently.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2015-04-01 17:15:56 UTC
What sort of confirmation will you accept?

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Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-04-01 17:19:05 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
What sort of confirmation will you accept?


I'm not certain that they're applicable to known kill report formats, so I will accept camera drone snapshots of before and after engagement (you will need to show the Drifter being actively engaged as well as a wreck). Video recordings are also perfectly acceptable.

One last form of confirmation is to include me in your fleet activities during the battle, with which I can confirm with on-site video recording myself.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#4 - 2015-04-01 17:19:07 UTC
Not a moment too soon, as far as I'm concerned.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#5 - 2015-04-01 17:26:22 UTC
While I am not yet ready to risk my personal assets to engage the Drifter threat as I would not be of much use, I am in the process of forming a team within Toralen Industries to study Drifter activities. As such, if anyone is willing to, please send me a message with the location of a engagement sight with the Drifters, Sleepers, or Sansha's Nation and the location of one of the battle-sites between Sansha's Nation and the Sleepers in Gallente, Amarr, or Caldari Space. I thank anyone who sends me one of these locations. Also, please make sure that these locations are clear before sending me a link.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.

Natheniel
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#6 - 2015-04-01 17:42:59 UTC
I would be very much interested in being involved in some anti-drifter activity and study.

"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."

Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-01 20:55:34 UTC
I have until now advocated moderation and patience regarding the Drifters. However their harvesting of capsuleer corpses is, to put it mildly, disconcerting, and indicates that they intend to grow vastly in numbers. If the Vigilant Tyrannos were able to make functional bodies out of an assortment of Jovian body parts several years old (as I believe we may now freely surmise), I shudder to think what they could manage with their bounty of fresh biomass. The men and women of 4TUNA are currently engaged in a defensive blockade of our own space and cannot spare the resources necessary to contribute to aggressive action. That said, we fully endorse this course of action. Cold Wind be with you, pilots.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2015-04-02 14:36:35 UTC
Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Jade Blackwind
#9 - 2015-04-02 15:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Soldarius wrote:
Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them.
The obvious solution is to assemble a fleet big enough to take a drifter out before he manages to use his superweapon. Defence against the Sansha raids shows us that this goal is easily accessible with enough incentive.

Show the eggers where the ISK are, and they'll swarm the poor thing in seconds.

But not for ten million, I'm afraid. More like at least 100.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#10 - 2015-04-02 16:21:20 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them.
The obvious solution is to assemble a fleet big enough to take a drifter out before he manages to use his superweapon. Defence against the Sansha raids shows us that this goal is easily accessible with enough incentive.

Show the eggers where the ISK are, and they'll swarm the poor thing in seconds.

But not for ten million, I'm afraid. More like at least 100.


Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system.
Jade Blackwind
#11 - 2015-04-02 17:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Rinai Vero wrote:
Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system.
Send forward a fully insured sacrificial brick-tanked, T1 meta fitted bait that engages, neuts and ECMs the drifter, drawing his attention. Everyone launch all drones so he'd have a swarm of target signatures coming in from all directions. I am sure there is a way to do it with minimal loss. The risk is high, but that's why we need the reward to cover the cost of an insured battleship, at least.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-04-02 18:21:24 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system.
Send forward a fully insured sacrificial brick-tanked, T1 meta fitted bait that engages, neuts and ECMs the drifter, drawing his attention. Everyone launch all drones so he'd have a swarm of target signatures coming in from all directions. I am sure there is a way to do it with minimal loss. The risk is high, but that's why we need the reward to cover the cost of an insured battleship, at least.


Drifters, according to witness statements, are selective in their targeting. Sending anything at them with the intent to "bait" them is problematic because they often eliminate low-value ships in order to accumulate - sacrifice, rather - their first layer of defense to high DPS targets. Once that layer is gone they use the superweapon on the remaining ships. Its actually quite ingenious.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-04-02 18:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomistrav
I'd like to also take a moment to formally recognize and appreciate the alliance Overload Everything for taking the time and effort to destroy a drifter through the use of a rather powerful fleet. This should be a reminder to everyone that what we are dealing with is by no means to be taken lightly, as this camera drone snapshot illustrates quite clearly.

You're performing a great service.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#14 - 2015-04-02 19:06:24 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Good luck with this considering there is no subcapital ship that can withstand the Drifter super-weapon. Although I heard you can potentially outrange them.
The obvious solution is to assemble a fleet big enough to take a drifter out before he manages to use his superweapon. Defence against the Sansha raids shows us that this goal is easily accessible with enough incentive.

Show the eggers where the ISK are, and they'll swarm the poor thing in seconds.

But not for ten million, I'm afraid. More like at least 100.


Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system.


In regards to this trigger which causes the Drifter ships to utilize their "Doomsday" superweapon.

Have any fleets considered or attempted conducting a primary attack using energy vampires, and electronic warfare? Perhaps in order to destabilize them before heavy attack elements engage the target?

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Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-04-02 21:04:35 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:

In regards to this trigger which causes the Drifter ships to utilize their "Doomsday" superweapon.

Have any fleets considered or attempted conducting a primary attack using energy vampires, and electronic warfare? Perhaps in order to destabilize them before heavy attack elements engage the target?


Mr. Vorpalstar,

Various types of ewar have been attempted against the Drifter battleships.

They do have what appears to be the equivalent of a capacitor, but it is quite large, and I don't seem to recall seeing draining it having any effect on the use of its super weapon.

The most effective type of ewar against the use of the superweapon has been ECM jammers. If the battleship is jammed at the time that the super weapon would trigger, i.e. when the first shield is defeated, the super weapon will not fire. Given the unreliable nature of ECM jammers, this is not a guaranteed counter, but the most "reliable" one.

Evidence shows that the sensor suite on the battleship corresponds to a multispectral one.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-04-02 22:39:17 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
What sort of confirmation will you accept?


I'm not certain that they're applicable to known kill report formats, so I will accept camera drone snapshots of before and after engagement (you will need to show the Drifter being actively engaged as well as a wreck). Video recordings are also perfectly acceptable.

One last form of confirmation is to include me in your fleet activities during the battle, with which I can confirm with on-site video recording myself.

Watch out though about Makoto Priano, she is a well known liar and disgraced person.
Her "confirmations" could be easily forged.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#17 - 2015-04-02 22:41:08 UTC
This is interesting, I have a contact that might be interested by this. I shall forward it to her.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#18 - 2015-04-03 00:38:39 UTC
Jennifer Starfall wrote:

Mr. Vorpalstar,

Various types of ewar have been attempted against the Drifter battleships.

They do have what appears to be the equivalent of a capacitor, but it is quite large, and I don't seem to recall seeing draining it having any effect on the use of its super weapon.

The most effective type of ewar against the use of the superweapon has been ECM jammers. If the battleship is jammed at the time that the super weapon would trigger, i.e. when the first shield is defeated, the super weapon will not fire. Given the unreliable nature of ECM jammers, this is not a guaranteed counter, but the most "reliable" one.

Evidence shows that the sensor suite on the battleship corresponds to a multispectral one.


Ms. Starfall,

I appreciate your educated insight regarding the use of electronic warfare modules against the Drifter ships.

I have yet to encounter any of these beings personally, and as such my knowledge about them is limited to the reports, studies, and camera drone imagery that has been made available.

I am interested if anyone has managed to collect any remains of their ships intact, so as to reverse engineer their technology. If so one can be certain that such research would remain classified.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#19 - 2015-04-03 05:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Deveron
To be honest as an Industrialist I am interested in this Antikythera Element.

However have been having difficulties even locating seekers or drifters to crack them open.

Otherwise on a further note, we (my corp) has heard of and developed the Cerberus kiting Hac for engaging Drifter Battleships.

I would be willing to vouch for my maybe offering limited SRP ability in exchange for this element.
Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
#20 - 2015-04-03 12:32:49 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Drifter technology makes this problematic. Their ships have two independent layers of energy shielding, and they seem to favor the tactic of deploying their "Doomsday" superweapon when the first layer is breached. I haven't heard of any tactics able to successfully prevent the superweapon's use. Fleets engaging Drifter Battleships do so with the expectation of sacrificing at least one of their number when the superweapon is fired, not to mention the powerful "Lux Kontos" main weapon system.
Send forward a fully insured sacrificial brick-tanked, T1 meta fitted bait that engages, neuts and ECMs the drifter, drawing his attention. Everyone launch all drones so he'd have a swarm of target signatures coming in from all directions. I am sure there is a way to do it with minimal loss. The risk is high, but that's why we need the reward to cover the cost of an insured battleship, at least.


They're at least as smart (probably smarter) than most capsuleers when it comes to targeting. They can tell when you're baiting them and will go for the biggest threat on the field rather than a sacrificial target. They can analyze fits to an extent and modify what they deem biggest threat based off of changing conditions, leading to them being un-fooled by most tricks used against pirate faction ships. (but let's face it, most pirates are drugged out of their minds)
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