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Victorieux Luxury Yacht?

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Suur Ala
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-04-02 04:05:26 UTC
Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD!
Big Lynx
#2 - 2015-04-02 06:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Big Lynx
Suur Ala wrote:
Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD!


Let's do some calculation.

According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day.

Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right?

Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year.

Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic)

So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#3 - 2015-04-02 07:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
As I have a minimal position in this commodity, I can say that there is strong support in the 110-120 mln ISK area for ready hulls.

The Yacht is useful for carrying BPOs, boosters and other low volume high-value miscellanea - a rather specialised use, unlike the Gnosis battlecruiser, which we can look at as an example. Gnosis, however, was discounted further by 5-run BPCs from the Collector's Edition, and seems to have settled where current Combat BCs are - 60-70 mln ISK range.

Can't say that the Yacht won't dip into below 100 mln ISK territory, but considering the innate ship bonuses to cloaking, bubble immunity and generally very good battlecruiser-like EHP, along with very fast warp speed - the event of that happening is unlikely. Smile

Personally, I have flown it through null and the only downsides is that the cloaking reactivation delay is 30 seconds, which can be mitigated by turning off cloak mid-warp, in order to make it available after the jump into the next system. However, even if you jump immediately after disabling cloak, there is enough time for it to become available thanks to the system jump cloak. Three Warp Speed rigs bring it to around 10.6 AU/sec, which also magnifies the mentioned annoyance.

Also, A T2/T3 destroyer with a sensor booster can catch you before you cloak, if you're unlucky, so I recommend fitting 2 (two) Warp Core Stabs to minimise the chance of that happening. Blink

Does the information satisfy you? P
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-04-02 08:12:46 UTC
bubble imunity ? ITs nullified ?
And its EHP wasnt battlecruiser like afaik , but more in line with cruisers if im not mistaken .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#5 - 2015-04-02 08:20:46 UTC
Smile

It's 4k hp across each tier of protection - that's Hurricane BC level. And yes, it is nullified - buy, buy, buy. Roll
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Pandemic Unicorns
#6 - 2015-04-02 14:23:43 UTC  |  Edited by: MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
Ruvin wrote:
bubble imunity ? ITs nullified ?
And its EHP wasnt battlecruiser like afaik , but more in line with cruisers if im not mistaken .


It has identical resists to a Thorax, but double the hull, armor and shield. However, only 1 mid slot.

The problem in investment terms is as someone pointed out above: not many are dying. Cloaky, nullified, very quick align, low slots for warp core stabs, and enough tank to survive smartbombs - you have to derp or be very unlucky to lose one. That limits future demand a bit, unfortunately.
Derp Durrr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-04-03 01:57:50 UTC
Dont forget the following:

- Not everyone will end up building it (dont underestimate the power of the derp)
- players come and go, but only players who were around to claim this BPC will actually have a chance at this ship. 6 months from now, quite a lot of people who were around right now might not be here anymore, some of which holding these BPC's/ships in their holds
- as the volume of this ship decreases, bottlenecking and stockpiling will become easier. chances are high some of us may very well be sitting on a few dozen samples by now.

add these factors to your numbers and I think we're losing quite a few more than your projected 10-20 ships a day. when I buy something, you may very well consider it lost until I sell it, which can be in sizable chunks at a time.

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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2015-04-03 03:36:58 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Suur Ala wrote:
Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD!


Let's do some calculation.

According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day.

Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right?

Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year.

Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic)

So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.


Actually your numbers are a bit off. Going by login ratios (since CCP stopped announcing sub numbers once eve sub numbers started declining) there's probably about 250k active accounts. Assuming 80% of those accounts redeem their stuff gives us 200k. LEt's assume 20k per year die and another 30k are lost to player churn. Suddenly in 3-4 years you have a decent investment.

Whether the ROI over 3 years, even if the double in price each year, is worth it as well as the effects of a shrinking player base and declining player attachment to the game effects the price is left as an exercise to the reader.

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Federal Jegerouns
#9 - 2015-04-03 08:06:16 UTC
This ship is usefull. And you only have one per account. Are you sure you will sell it? Cause I am gonna keep mine and something tells me, that plenty of high sec carebears / miners will do so even though they do not really need nullified ship with 30 m3 cargo space. Cause it is A YACHT !

So I seroisly doubt Gnosis or even Leopard price history can be good arguments in this case. More likely the price will keep slowly going up, cause carebears do not want to sell this nice shiny thing and null bears will keep losing it.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#10 - 2015-04-05 20:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Another thing to consider: https://zkillboard.com/ship/34590/losses/

Out of the many that had been lost, only seven were carrying useful cargo - blueprints in most cases. It could mean one of two things, either: 1) Shipment success is very high, or 2) They are not being used for their intended purposes.

I personally use my Yacht for business travel around Empire - 15 AU/s warp speed with great align times certainly helps. Smile

P.S. WTB Yacht BPCs upto 95m and ready hulls upto 110m subject to location.
Angelica Everstar
#11 - 2015-04-05 22:19:08 UTC
I for one also love them - I got a few extra, purely for private use. I don't expect them to be going up in price any time soon Bear

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Cixi
#12 - 2015-04-06 14:20:58 UTC
Their price can only go up in the long term, when will it go up is another story Blink

I bought 10 BPC for 150m each, even if I don't make a profit out of that, it is still a good transport ship for BPs
Coelomate
Gilliomate Corp
#13 - 2015-04-09 18:54:34 UTC
I'm buying as many as I can at good prices (cheap BPCs in weird stations, etc.) - steadily over days. I can't predict the price in a week, but I'd be shocked if this wasn't a good investment over the course of a year or two.

Love,

~Coelomate

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#14 - 2015-04-10 17:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
As expected, this spaceship commodity has found support at 110-115 mil for hulls and 100-105 for BPCs. There are many buy orders, with one in particular - for 60 units at 120 mil ISK in the Forge region, if anyone is willing to take the other side of the bet. Smile

Whether this holds in the interim is yet to be seen. Blink
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#15 - 2015-04-15 09:28:44 UTC
Yacht hulls selling under 100 mil in Jita. Smile
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-04-15 09:59:05 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Yacht hulls selling under 100 mil in Jita. Smile


why did you decide to sell domi quafe bpc , a bit early and cheap :| 2 weeks still left .

Opportunities multiply as they are seized.

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#17 - 2015-04-15 12:19:21 UTC
It is supposedly a blue spaceship, and I'm colour-blind. So no use for me. Sad
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#18 - 2015-04-15 13:50:23 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Suur Ala wrote:
Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD!


Let's do some calculation.

According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day.

Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right?

Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year.

Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic)

So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.

I knew investing in the Leopard would be a bad idea. Those resilient Leopards... dying even less than the Yachts are! Players with stockpiles be damned.

If anyone is looking to unload their Leopard or Yacht investments, please contract them to me at twice the build cost. That's right, I'll pay you double the value. I'm just here to help.

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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#19 - 2015-04-28 18:54:29 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Suur Ala wrote:
Good long-term buy? It's a useful ship for certain limited roles: the only non-t3 that can warp cloaked and is bubble immune. CCP said it "will be given once - and only once" here. The price can only go up...right? Please share your wisdom MD!


Let's do some calculation.

According to zk there're dying about 10 yachts/day. Let's be more generous and put it to 50 yachts/day.

Assuming there are ~500k active Accounts, we have ~500k yachts, right?

Per year that would be 18250 yachts. Let's be more optimistic and put it to 20k/year.

Now you can guesstimate how good or bad this long-term buy is (on an optimistic background with 50 yacht kills/day - utopic)

So, if you plan to play that game until 2050, you have done a good investment.



Sorry, Sir, I disagree with you.
Your numbers are no based on any solid data.
How many of these BPCs have been redeemed finally? How many BPCs have been lost by ganking T1 indu ships?

Speculation everywhere :)

I think you can compare it with the Leopard... every subscribed account had the chance to redeem one and the prices are pure speculation.

Nobody knows, if CCP goes crazy and releases a BPO for the Leopard. Or "nerfs" the Yacht and removes the bubble imminity.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#20 - 2015-04-28 19:55:44 UTC
The question of supply is an interesting one: As can be seen here - https://zkillboard.com/ship/34590/losses/ around ten are destroyed on a good day. Then, there is a certain number which are either claimed and lost to errors, forgotten about, or no longer available due to an inactive account.

A lot of attrition variables are in play. Smile
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