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Sad State of Empire Space

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2015-04-01 15:24:22 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There are definitely opportunities for PVP in highsec, but they are much worse than they used to be.

For aggressors, there are less ways to initiate a fight with cunning, meaning you need to fall back on the sledgehammer of overwhelming numbers and suicide ganking.

For defenders - there's less ways to set believable traps to catch baiters.


As for leaving high - it's one option, but most of the prey is in high.


CODE and their sort limit themselves because of the prey they are looking to "fight'. Low and WH space are full of adversaries that you can actually fight.

Don't limit yourself. Get beyond the ganks and go looking for actual fights. There are plenty of folks out there looking to swap paint and ammo (most of them don't fly covetors).

I've been playing straight through since my born on date. I started as empire merc prey. Joined said mercs and had an absolute blast for several years (many thanks to Hans and all the other great folks I flew with). Moved to WH space and never looked back. WH space rich somewhat takes the edge off of the jitters that you speak of, but it's still there. Ditch empire and find a nice small gang wh corp and you'll see it's still a great game.



Low is empty, and (outside C5 and higher) wormholes are pretty empty too. C5/C6 holes require much more preparation to attack.

Prey density is at least twenty times higher in highsec than most of low.

Signed - Someone that would live in low, if doing so was truly viable.

Low is empty - yeah, nobody mines in low-sec
Wormholes are pretty empty too - yeah, i guess there almost is no miners there
So yea, you are just limiting yourself here.

But PvP... Lots of it in low or WH if you really want.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2015-04-01 18:27:52 UTC
You would be surprised at the stupid **** people do in l. sec on weekends. Not too long ago I ran across a newbie corp running a mining operation in a lowsec system - a procurer and covetor with a couple of frigates standing guard. Some of the other locals started sniffing around and we scared them into docking up but one of them came back in a failfit harpy (75mm rails) which I got to solo in my comet, so that was nice.

"No good pvp outside highsec" is an excuse for the lazy. I will reiterate that there are many ways to get nice killmails in lowsec witha bit of effort and creativity. Or you can sit on a highsec-lowsec gate with an instocker and catch billion ISK tengus that think that covops cloak makes them untouchable. And then there's the utterly ridiculous dscan immune recon.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#123 - 2015-04-01 21:25:50 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
You would be surprised at the stupid **** people do in l. sec on weekends. Not too long ago I ran across a newbie corp running a mining operation in a lowsec system - a procurer and covetor with a couple of frigates standing guard. Some of the other locals started sniffing around and we scared them into docking up but one of them came back in a failfit harpy (75mm rails) which I got to solo in my comet, so that was nice.

"No good pvp outside highsec" is an excuse for the lazy. I will reiterate that there are many ways to get nice killmails in lowsec witha bit of effort and creativity. Or you can sit on a highsec-lowsec gate with an instocker and catch billion ISK tengus that think that covops cloak makes them untouchable. And then there's the utterly ridiculous dscan immune recon.



While I'm not insulting your playstyle, I'd like to point out that those miners/guard ships were baby seals... I don't look down at your for clubbing them.

In any fight, one of the adversaries is the baby seal. You knew from the time you saw them on d-scan that you would be able to light them up. How that is substantially different than doing it in high sec is beyond me.



However, my desire to pvp in high sec is only part of the reason I wrote the OP.

The real assertion is:
I believe the pacification of high sec is bad for the game and will damage the game in time.


Recent studies by CCP corroborate this. I can see it. Others see it too. Here is an email sent to me last night by a guy who read this forum:

"Sir,

As a highsec miner/industrialist, I'd simply like to thank you for what you represent. I miss the old times of piracy and debauchery in empire space just as much as you- Back when mining carried enough risk no matter where you did it that fleets had to stay alert at all times, actual escorts were employed to protect barges, wardecs were commonplace and contributed to actual fights, and only a scant few children got away with AFK mining in expensive T2 ships. Without the threat of loss, mining has turned from a game into a dull chore... And a highly unprofitable one at that. The crime is what made things /interesting/ and worth playing. I don't want the fleet fights of low and nullsec. I want the smart crimes of ye olde days.

Ignore the naysayers in that thread. Keep on scamming/stealing/backstabbing on. Highsec needs more people like you.


Respectfully,
Klaus Tylar"
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#124 - 2015-04-01 21:28:20 UTC
Regrettably, I did not read this thread but I did LOL at your male male patterned baldness.

Pras Phil.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#125 - 2015-04-01 21:30:25 UTC
Samwise Everquest wrote:
Regrettably, I did not read this thread but I did LOL at your male male patterned baldness.


I like to consider myself the face of high sec warfare...
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#126 - 2015-04-01 21:51:43 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Samwise Everquest wrote:
Regrettably, I did not read this thread but I did LOL at your male male patterned baldness.


I like to consider myself the face of high sec warfare...


It does look like you have a fat lip.

So highsec is full of people sucker punching each other?

Pras Phil.
Tasspool Harp
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2015-04-02 00:06:37 UTC
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Samwise Everquest wrote:
Regrettably, I did not read this thread but I did LOL at your male male patterned baldness.


I like to consider myself the face of high sec warfare...


Indeed, a picture tells a thousand words
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2015-04-02 17:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Mobadder Thworst wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
You would be surprised at the stupid **** people do in l. sec on weekends. Not too long ago I ran across a newbie corp running a mining operation in a lowsec system - a procurer and covetor with a couple of frigates standing guard. Some of the other locals started sniffing around and we scared them into docking up but one of them came back in a failfit harpy (75mm rails) which I got to solo in my comet, so that was nice.

"No good pvp outside highsec" is an excuse for the lazy. I will reiterate that there are many ways to get nice killmails in lowsec witha bit of effort and creativity. Or you can sit on a highsec-lowsec gate with an instocker and catch billion ISK tengus that think that covops cloak makes them untouchable. And then there's the utterly ridiculous dscan immune recon.



While I'm not insulting your playstyle, I'd like to point out that those miners/guard ships were baby seals... I don't look down at your for clubbing them.

In any fight, one of the adversaries is the baby seal. You knew from the time you saw them on d-scan that you would be able to light them up. How that is substantially different than doing it in high sec is beyond me.



However, my desire to pvp in high sec is only part of the reason I wrote the OP.

The real assertion is:
I believe the pacification of high sec is bad for the game and will damage the game in time.


Recent studies by CCP corroborate this. I can see it. Others see it too. Here is an email sent to me last night by a guy who read this forum:

"Sir,

As a highsec miner/industrialist, I'd simply like to thank you for what you represent. I miss the old times of piracy and debauchery in empire space just as much as you- Back when mining carried enough risk no matter where you did it that fleets had to stay alert at all times, actual escorts were employed to protect barges, wardecs were commonplace and contributed to actual fights, and only a scant few children got away with AFK mining in expensive T2 ships. Without the threat of loss, mining has turned from a game into a dull chore... And a highly unprofitable one at that. The crime is what made things /interesting/ and worth playing. I don't want the fleet fights of low and nullsec. I want the smart crimes of ye olde days.

Ignore the naysayers in that thread. Keep on scamming/stealing/backstabbing on. Highsec needs more people like you.


Respectfully,
Klaus Tylar"


"Low-security"

The difference is in the name. Not to mention you get a warning when you jump out of highsec that you will be fair game.
It's made very clear early on that if you leave highsec people are going to try to kill you, so I have no issues with shooting people who are doing stupid things in the more pvp-friendly areas of the game.

Honestly, the only form of highsec pvp I really have a problem with is the wardec system. Ganking is not an issue unless you are flying/hauling really expensive **** without any thought whatsoever. And suspect baiting requires your target to shoot first. They don't have to pvp if they don't want to - if they choose to engage that's on them.

The wardec system is a joke and would be completely ridiculous without the NPC/roll corp dodges, but still makes it pretty pointless to try and run a casual corp in highsec.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#129 - 2015-04-02 17:55:51 UTC
Oh reading that was more boring then doing a mission, still waiting on my lp and payment...

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#130 - 2015-04-03 04:12:16 UTC
It is time bros Twisted

Highsec must make null regret their interference or they will simply continue Smile

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