Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lucas,

Is this what you are referring to with your statements about CCP removing AFK cloaking?



Lucas, did you stop to consider that this structure might be a prelude to a substantial change to local? After all, if local is changed over to WH local, and you enable a system wide d-scan blocker it would hide the PvE pilot. Probes would have to be used. We don't know all the exact details, but if the device allows for the blocking d-scan for say, neutrals/hostiles but enables it for those who are allied (i.e. blues) then the PvE pilot would have an advantage. The hunter would have to use probes....which would show up on D-scan.

In this case intel would be active the PvE pilot would have to use d-scan and the PvP pilot would have to use probes...no more automatic intel based off of local.

Given that we have had at least two devs (Fozzie and Soundwave) say they'd rather see local being just a chat channel we might be moving in that direction.

I've considered that it might hint at a change to local, but then I considered that they like null and are putting a lot of effort into null, so they aren't going to destroy it. If local goes it will be replaced with features which offer close to the same functionality as the only benefit to intel from a PvE perspective is the half second you get to react.

Sadly I think that the way it will end up if it does change is basically as it is now, but controlled by the owners of the space, furthering the advantage held by the defender.

Lucas,

One of the most frustrating thing about you is you assume bad intentions on the part of those you discuss things with. You assume that everyone who disagrees with you wants to destroy null. Given that many of us actually live in null...that would be rather stupid....so you must also be assuming we are all stupid as well. And the tone of your posts confirms this.

Now I have repeatedly claimed I want AFK cloaking gone, that I think a change to local will accomplish this and preserve balance and that I want PvE in null to be viable. That includes mining, ratting and everything else. I don't want to destroy null, I have never suggested anything remotely like that. You constant use of this disingenuous tactic is very annoying.

Second, you are assuming that your vision of null is shared by CCP. In fact, you make a vast array of unfounded assumptions in this thread. Anyone who has different assumption elicits very angry replies from you. Maybe you should consider a decaffeinated brand, or consider that different assumptions lead to different conclusions and that nobody has bad intentions.

You can still use probes....and since the PvE intel is now active if he is not doing it frequently enough then he becomes vulnerable. And considering that the hostile would not show up in local the whole gang could jump in and the probers warps them right on top of the PvE guy....assuming he is not warping or moving fast.

BTW, you might want to go back and read the last few pages, I am not and never have advocated nerfing just cloaks.

Edit: Whoops changed a "not" to a "now" makes a big difference.

I don't assume bad intentions, you support things that would literally destroy null PvE and massively buff cloaking and then you act like you've just supported game balance and as if I'm demanding 100% safe PvE. At the end of the day, CCP will do what they do. I honestly don't care if it stays the way it is and truth be told I don't really care if they empty out nullsec either. And quite honestly mate, I put up with personal attacks and trolling from the guys on your side and the constant condescending tone from people like you, so I really don't give a flying **** what you think of my approach. when you learn to accept other people having opinions maybe I'll give a **** about yours.

And I agreed, multiple times, which you ignored. Removing local would remove AFK cloaking, but it would also remove null PvE which is bad.

Last I checked, game developers didn't spend a year focussing on a particular area of a game only ot then make it so that the vast majority of players using that section of the game moved elsewhere, which is exactly what nuking local would do. I don't claim to know what CCP are doing, but it would be a really dumb move to turn null into wormholes with force projection.

I do have experience in wormholes. If you are doing serious PvE you seal your hole if you can or shrink it down to just one static, giving you just one entrance to monitor. Null doesn't have that luxury, most systems have multiple entry points.

In addition, wormhole players have class restrictions for ship sizes, no worry about someone lighting a cyno and jumping in a fleet, and most importantly have roaming routes. This means that if you want to target a wormhole group and don't have a spy you are working with blind luck to find them. A null group can be navigated to using the autopilot route finder.

Overall, any mechanic which makes players have to sit and stare at an object in space and not actually take part in the real gameplay is a bad mechanic. I'd much rather replace that player with a structure and have players having to actively play than sit idle waiting for hours for nothing to happen.

Not really, local is a tool. That's like saying that the fitting window is bad mecahnic because it works out all your bonuses for you. Whatever replaces local if it ever goes would also be a tool that gets looked at. UI elements are a far cry from having to fly a ship to a given spot and do nothing but watch a gate.

What you should have predicted is that I wouldn't respond to trolling.

Except you don't sit and stare at local, you play the damn game. It's a UI element. You seriously can't see the difference?

Local doesn't suck, it's a portion of the UI that provides you information, you simply don't like it. Objectively it sucks no more than the assets window or the market browser does. On the other hand the alternative, which seems to be people sitting and doing nothing but staring at a gate, that actually sucks from a game design perspective. The main difference is that one is a tool while the other is a core gameplay mechanic. Core gameplay mechanics should actually involve players playing the game in a way that's entertaining. Very few gamers find staring to be entertaining.

Right because no local is killing WH pve...oh wait nvm WH's are ever increasing in usage...**** me right.