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Spiritual Warfare: The Slavers Curse
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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2015-04-01 06:42:15 UTC
Spiritualism Defined:
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: the view that spirit is a prime element of reality
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a : a belief that spirits of the dead communicate with the living usually through a medium
b capitalized : a movement comprising religious organizations emphasizing spiritualism


In the pursuit of understanding God or the gods it is the spirit that ultimately gains the truest perspective after a corporeal sentience has relinquished its grip on physical causalities.

Spiritual warfare is the battle involving the Will of these afterlife entities. This paradigm takes place within the realm of God’s creation and under the eye of gods watch: The dead's way of finding faith and purpose where it is fathomed heavenly states of being can be achieved. True bliss.

It is a slavers curse to die in a universe of enemies including their own kind. What a challenge it will be to face souls tormented by slavery in an existence where heaven may be found.

I beseech slavers to give up their religion and face God on its terms. A balance of physical and spiritual elements having no end in sight with no victory but bliss.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#2 - 2015-04-01 06:53:19 UTC
I enjoy nothing more then reading the frantic ravings of a heretic over a cup of coffee in the morning. You clearly missed the memo that the point of the slavery is to redeem their souls through reclaiming. I'm sure the Holders sleep soundly at night on this basis.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#3 - 2015-04-01 07:12:24 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
I enjoy nothing more then reading the frantic ravings of a heretic over a cup of coffee in the morning. You clearly missed the memo that the point of the slavery is to redeem their souls through reclaiming. I'm sure the Holders sleep soundly at night on this basis.


You clearly have no idea where I am from.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-01 07:51:06 UTC
Are you borrowing elements from the Matari belief system?

Ohohoho, you are such a heretic.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#5 - 2015-04-01 07:57:37 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Are you borrowing elements from the Matari belief system?

Ohohoho, you are such a heretic.


You can't borrow, beg or steal God's wisdom you can only earn it. The Matari belief system is a solid quest for enlightenment. Much more so than the Amarr. I have retained my Ancient Amarrian beliefs by way or lore. The same methods the Matari currently practice. I see it as returning to my roots as opposed to borrowing anything.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-04-01 08:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Are you borrowing elements from the Matari belief system?

Ohohoho, you are such a heretic.


You can't borrow, beg or steal God's wisdom you can only earn it. The Matari belief system is a solid quest for enlightenment. Much more so than the Amarr. I have retained my Ancient Amarrian beliefs by way or lore. The same methods the Matari currently practice. I see it as returning to my roots as opposed to borrowing anything.


Us Matari venerate our ancestors partially out of filial piety and partially to reflect on the wisdom of our ancestors. It is not about becoming closer to God in any shape or form. More like learning from the past to make sense of the presence and forge another path into the future. Nothing to do with God.

Also, we believe in the spirit world and the spirit beings, usually of flora and fauna. There's also the animism part too.

Speaking of which, I really should talk to my Breacher more. She's been sitting in the docks for so long because of my going away to planetside business that I am sure she's likely very cross with me by now.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2015-04-01 08:10:09 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Are you borrowing elements from the Matari belief system?

Ohohoho, you are such a heretic.


You can't borrow, beg or steal God's wisdom you can only earn it. The Matari belief system is a solid quest for enlightenment. Much more so than the Amarr. I have retained my Ancient Amarrian beliefs by way or lore. The same methods the Matari currently practice. I see it as returning to my roots as opposed to borrowing anything.


Us Matari venerate our ancestors partially out of filial piety and partially to recognise that they had learnt things we ought to reflect upon. Wisdom, if you will. It is not about becoming closer to God in any shape or form. More like learning from the past to make sense of the presence and forge another path into the future. Nothing to do with God.


God is and the spirit realm is as well. God is not a spirit but a spirit is closer to the state that God is.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-04-01 08:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Are you borrowing elements from the Matari belief system?

Ohohoho, you are such a heretic.


You can't borrow, beg or steal God's wisdom you can only earn it. The Matari belief system is a solid quest for enlightenment. Much more so than the Amarr. I have retained my Ancient Amarrian beliefs by way or lore. The same methods the Matari currently practice. I see it as returning to my roots as opposed to borrowing anything.


Us Matari venerate our ancestors partially out of filial piety and partially to recognise that they had learnt things we ought to reflect upon. Wisdom, if you will. It is not about becoming closer to God in any shape or form. More like learning from the past to make sense of the presence and forge another path into the future. Nothing to do with God.


God is and the spirit realm is as well. God is not a spirit but a spirit is closer to the state that God is.


So is your God Loki? Or Svipul? How about our Father God and Mother Goddess? What about the Yetamo?

Speaking of which I need to go talk to my Breacher more. She's been sitting neglected in the dock for too long, what with myself constantly being called away to planetside business. I am very sure she's very cross with me now.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#9 - 2015-04-01 08:42:59 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Are you borrowing elements from the Matari belief system?

Ohohoho, you are such a heretic.


You can't borrow, beg or steal God's wisdom you can only earn it. The Matari belief system is a solid quest for enlightenment. Much more so than the Amarr. I have retained my Ancient Amarrian beliefs by way or lore. The same methods the Matari currently practice. I see it as returning to my roots as opposed to borrowing anything.


Us Matari venerate our ancestors partially out of filial piety and partially to recognise that they had learnt things we ought to reflect upon. Wisdom, if you will. It is not about becoming closer to God in any shape or form. More like learning from the past to make sense of the presence and forge another path into the future. Nothing to do with God.


God is and the spirit realm is as well. God is not a spirit but a spirit is closer to the state that God is.


So is your God Loki? Or Svipul? How about our Father God and Mother Goddess? What about the Yetamo?

Speaking of which I need to go talk to my Breacher more. She's been sitting neglected in the dock for too long, what with myself constantly being called away to planetside business. I am very sure she's very cross with me now.


In my belief there is a God of gods who's name defines them. Just as a god defines its believers this God defines the gods. I couldn't tell you much about it because I am still trying to grow closer to it. It is the god which named itself and never told anyone what its name was. Yes I know of the named gods and respect them as I would respect my own.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#10 - 2015-04-01 16:14:15 UTC
Hey, Otto? What drugs are you on and who's your supplier?

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2015-04-01 16:29:22 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Hey, Otto? What drugs are you on and who's your supplier?


High on life and the love of freedom. I have connections though I don't know if you should start with this. I might have to dilute it.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#12 - 2015-04-01 16:31:15 UTC
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Hey, Otto? What drugs are you on and who's your supplier?


High on life and the love of freedom. I have connections though I don't know if you should start with this. I might have to dilute it.

I was asking so I can avoid it...

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#13 - 2015-04-01 16:43:15 UTC
Huh. What's the source "Ancient Amarrian" spirituality / theology? What connects your preaching to this "ancient" past?
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2015-04-01 16:50:06 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Huh. What's the source "Ancient Amarrian" spirituality / theology? What connects your preaching to this "ancient" past?

His word. Stop doubting it. Roll

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-04-01 16:51:20 UTC
Thing is that I'm fairly sure their use of slavery dates back to the time when the Empire was confined to a single island on Athra and busily conquering the Udorians, wasn't it?

How much more 'Ancient' is there?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#16 - 2015-04-01 16:52:55 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Thing is that I'm fairly sure their use of slavery dates back to the time when the Empire was confined to a single island on Athra and busily conquering the Udorians, wasn't it?

How much more 'Ancient' is there?

Maybe he came from the mythical "other side of the gate".... I did.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#17 - 2015-04-01 16:54:58 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Thing is that I'm fairly sure their use of slavery dates back to the time when the Empire was confined to a single island on Athra and busily conquering the Udorians, wasn't it?

How much more 'Ancient' is there?


I suppose there could have been contemporary Amarrian cultures that opposed slavery at that time? Is that known?

Genuinely curious.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#18 - 2015-04-01 16:58:39 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Thing is that I'm fairly sure their use of slavery dates back to the time when the Empire was confined to a single island on Athra and busily conquering the Udorians, wasn't it?

How much more 'Ancient' is there?


I suppose there could have been contemporary Amarrian cultures that opposed slavery at that time? Is that known?

Genuinely curious.

Well, if you're on the wrong end of it, I'm sure you'll be opposed to it.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#19 - 2015-04-01 17:15:38 UTC
Obviously the eventual fate of non Amarr contemporary cultures on Athra was to be subsumed in to the cultural evolution that led to modern Amarrian society. Still, there are numerous cases of remnants of assimilated cultures surviving into modern times.

I gather he's talking about an unquestionably "Amarrian" society in opposition to the practice of slavery that either existed concurrently with those Amarr who adopted slavery or predated the emergence of the practice. Is there any evidence of such a culture?
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#20 - 2015-04-01 17:47:19 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Huh. What's the source "Ancient Amarrian" spirituality / theology? What connects your preaching to this "ancient" past?


While living and breathing Minmatar culture I have absorbed their connection to the spiritual realm and reconnected with my spiritual elders. I use a system of complicated machinery to ensure this is a revelry not to be confused with space dementia or SSD. White noise generators, noise canceling software, EMI and EVP monitoring ensure that my reflections are legitimate communications with otherworld forces bringing both enlightenment and confusion into the known verse. Angels told me I was Ancient.

There was a time when my family did keep slaves. We did so because we knew no other way and it was not until I left Amarr did I find another. I have traveled far and wide looking for God. Leaving a godless existence behind in Amarr where manic oppression is exalted and true communication is heresy. My own family was destroyed by Amarrian hierarchy for threatening New Age Amarrianism. Fleeing I stumbled into tribal elders of Minmatar origin. Through trial and error I was able to understand their way and incorporate it into my own upbringing.

I am not saying I am in direct dialogue with God nor am I tied to hell. I am listening to the real voices of the afterlife affirm that there is a next and using sophisticated equipment to extract their wisdom and extract their chaos. It is a delicate business that requires hours of attention at a time and leaves the mind exhausted and confused until I review the tapes.
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