EVE General Discussion

It takes personal experience and a knowledge of tactics you must acquire 'outside' the limits of the game's stats sytems to play well. What EVE lacks is an ability for you as a player to show your friend a 'stat' that says how great your are. All you can really do is point to your Skill Point tally and say I am 'this' old. All other stats can be rigged or bought. There is no real measure of how good a player is in EVE until you challenge them and that is an alien concept for most gamers looking in from the outside.

In a game like WoW you have your busty toon in super skimpy, therefore better, purple stat armor. You have reputation scores, honor point scores, toys you can only get for events, a set of currency scores, a resilience score, etc, etc, etc... You can far more clearly tell what you are up against.

A carebear might wait a year before getting in to a powerful battleship and trying out PVP, that doesn't mean however when they finally do they are going to be better than someone else. They might find themselves suddenly scrammed by a frigate (piloted by someone with far fewer skil points) and unable to run because of bad planning and tactics. The BS pilot can't just click his way to freedom, he has to suffer from his 'personal' lack of skills, the game isn't going to give it to him.

TLDR - All MMO models have an inherent framework that is similar, something like an 8x grid for example. Most are like checkers, you can look at the board and see how the game is going to play out from the outside. Eve is like chess, unless you know the game and can plan in your head, you are not going to get the big picture and most likely fail.

And get gang raped :(

some hints:

Social V doesn't make you a better teamplayer.
Diplomacy V doesn't increase your diplomatic skills.
Fleet Command V doesn't make you a good FC.


You may argue that large-scale fleet combat is not skill-based - well, except for the FC, the tacklers, the scouts, the groups which don't follow FC orders (logistics, anti-tackle, ECM), the capital FC, ...

But no in-game-skill helps with getting those 200 people to actually show up for your op (or with getting them to join your corp/alliance in the first place for that matter, or with setting up the necessary IT infrastructure, or with making friends & allies, ...).

I say, it is totally progression based. You have to play this game intensive for a certain time at least to have a chance at all. You have to become experienced.

I always say to clarify, what I mean: You do not need to be a rocket scientist in RL to fly an internet space ship in Eve like a pr0. This is intended by CCP. Otherwise the game would suck as massive multiplayer game.

Would you write in your CV "pvp pr0 in Eve Online" . No? Why? because ...

Kind of a word game you got here, but as far as "progression" as it is defined in other MMOs, for example Raid Progression in WOW, EVE is just not that at all.

Not even close, thank god!

and interdictors..

Bubble them.. **** i say bubble them not us you stupid ****. Who did this..
Primary "fail interdictor"

The greatest skill in EVE is the refusal to play.

I don't mean that in the generic sense. ragequit, cancel sub but to simply refuse to engage.

Stop doing "stuff".

You don't have an Avatar. You have a template directory. You don't have skill points, ships do. Look at a ship, look at all the skills that will work on that ship, max them out and count them. That's the ships SP. See what it can kill and add it it ot its template. See what will kill it and add it to its template. Do that for every ship and pick the ones you can fly.

There are no players in EVE. There are cows. They are of no concern to you. They are cows. They are not Avatars either, they are ships templates. See what you need to farm them. If you don't have it, ignore them.

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That's "skill" in EVE.

If you don't have any skill in this game, you won't get a single skill no matter how many friends and how many expensive toys you have.

Instead you will be what we call "a loot pinata".