EVE General Discussion

Can only recommend watching CCP Quant go a bit more in depth with the numbers.

Data Science behind EVE

Red Frog uses NPC Corp alts for hauling, so I'm not sure wardeccing really applies to them.

Edit: Grr, autocorrect

until its safe to be in a highsec PvE corps because wars have been nerfbatted, new players will continue to shrug and quit in droves.

Players who don't engage in PVP with other players are most likely to leave the game. This trend is consistent with data from both 2014 and 2015 Fanfest presentations.

Your statement is the opposite of what is known for a sample set of tens of thousands of unique individuals.

Source? I recall it said that those least likely to quit were those who engaged in a variety of activities, not PvP in particular. In contrast PvP only players were NOT amongst the longest lasting generally.

I'm disturbed that more don't die tbh. My only enduring memory of my noobish days was dying after warping my Probe into a C5 Sleeper site. Then I realised I hadn't bookmarked the hole and had to self destruct.

That's when I was hooked. Totally hooked by the countdown and knowing my poor implants were about to be scrapped.

That's when most people were hooked. some folks will never understand that, even when they themselves got hooked in a similar way (as seen by the fact that they are still here lol).

Except you are using a biased sample set without isolating PvP factors from increased social factors. It is not PvP that causes people to stay in EVE, it is socialisation.
The lack of socialisation in most of PvE is because of CCP's archaic PvE design that penalises co-operation and rewards solo play for incomes.

You can produce 'CCP data sets' till the cows come home, but they are quick snaps with no in depth study on them, like you all are so fond of arguing yourselves when the CCP data doesn't match your views.
But we all know it's the social aspect that keeps us here, and therefore that is where the focus should be. Not on 'Forcing everyone into PvP' more but on increasing social aspects in all area's of the game, which requires a significant overhaul of PvE in EVE on the same scale and level Sov is getting currently.

And Jenn, attitudes like yours are exactly why a lot of people quit, especially newbies. 'Toughen up or wimp out' went out of being cool years ago, now that's harassment and bullying and is well recognised as negative social influence since it aims to stigmatise someone having problems and labels them as 'lesser' or 'bad'. It's not cool, it's not ok 'because it's the internet'. It's bullying, plain and simple.

Are you referring to new players or players in general? The slides you seem to remember were characterizing the overall retention rates for players of various types, while the OP here is referring to Rise's presentation on the NPE and how what new players experience in the 15 days influences whether they stay with the game. For that, CCP Rise is absolutely clear that having your ship blown up by another player, either legally or illegally, makes it more likely that you will stay with the game.

As for more general stats, CCP Quant broke down player behaviour and showed that players who stay the longest are "professional" players who engage in both PvE and PvP and "aggressors" who primarily PvP, while "traditional" players who engage with the game as a solo PvE game stay the least by far. You can argue up-and-down as to why this is the case, but all the data suggest that players who engage in social, PvP play have higher initial retention rates, and stay with the game the longest. In particular, the solo "leveling my Raven" PvE playstyle is particularly bad for player retention, and thus the game, so CCP really needs to (and is trying to) steer people away from this playstyle and get them to engage in the sandbox with other players.

It is proportional. Putting aside the "social" category which doesn't do much of anything but chat, the two categories that stay the shortest time with the game are the "traditional" and the "entrepreneur" categories (~24m) engage in the least amount of PvP, while the "professional" and "aggressor" categories stay the longest (>36m) engage in the most.

That data doesn't say why that is the case, and I am dubious CCP has that much control over how people play (especially how much they play) except for perhaps during the NPE, but it is clear that players that seek out and engage in PvP stay 50% longer with the game then those that avoid it. Changing the tutorials from ones that funnel players into solo missioning and mining careers, to ones that helps get them into competent social PvP organizations is clearly now a priority for CCP.