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Why does CCP hate us?

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#101 - 2015-03-26 14:20:03 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
The fact of my getting ready to go into carriers next is with the fighter drones being nerfed into the ground means I no longer have anything to train for now except maybe some tech 2 ships, thanks CCP for ruining that part of advancement to the next level.


you dont deserve a carrier if thats the only use you can see carriers having, advancing is not sitting on a pos with your fighters assigned across the map to a frigate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#102 - 2015-03-26 14:32:07 UTC
Kopis Bessar wrote:
Yeah, I'm loving that CCP had a whole thread discussion soliciting feedback on the proposed changes just so they could ignore all the pilots and go ahead with their asinine "fix" for everything...

Let's not worry about the fact high-sec is basically just gank-central that's killing new-players attempting to trade (and making them rage-quit), no lets target all the happy veteran pilots and screw them out of training time by killing off something that could have just been tweaked, so that all the veterans are just as pissed off as everyone else and also want to quit paying us to develop anything again ever.

screw us, screw you CCP.


Dude, show us the source of your facts.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#103 - 2015-03-26 14:45:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:

Dude, show us the source of your facts.


I dunno about facts but I'd say it a fair factor - I've tried to get a few people into eve IRL - one undocked with PLEX (despite all my advice) and was ganked and quit because of it (I found out later his corp set him up) and another had his retrievers suicide ganked multiple times within a short time and quit. I'm not really sure how to balance that though as having highsec risk free would be pretty meh as well.

As I a veteran player and having put a significant amount of investment into this game over the years I do find the way fighters were handled (something that took a lot of training and so on until I came to be able to fully use those capabilities) and without any real dialogue over the changes really really poor with the result I can't justify investing any more effort into this game as its likely to go to nothing on the snap of a developer's finger without any real say in the matter - I can understand sometimes things need to be changed but something like this should be in a much better managed way.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#104 - 2015-03-30 02:13:50 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
The fact of my getting ready to go into carriers next is with the fighter drones being nerfed into the ground means I no longer have anything to train for now except maybe some tech 2 ships, thanks CCP for ruining that part of advancement to the next level.


you dont deserve a carrier if thats the only use you can see carriers having, advancing is not sitting on a pos with your fighters assigned across the map to a frigate


Well, thats true but I was also going to train for I think its called "Triage"? And maybe transport, BUT at any rate the whole thing went out "The Door" so to speak.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#105 - 2015-03-30 03:53:15 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Cry more?


Some time ago it was posited that npc corp members couldn't post outside of new players and GD and this quoted post is great example of why.

OP you ride on a very high horse and laughable you think that training is "hard" or that the "billions" on station eggs couldn't be farmed back in very quick order.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill and to suggest that removing fighter assist mechanics was a bad thing is a complete joke.
FredVeee
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2015-03-30 03:55:54 UTC
should i buy star citisen and get rid of these kinda boring deaths while i got ****** off the game .. Evil
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#107 - 2015-03-31 22:10:55 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
CCP hates FotM and if you love following the crowd you'll have the worst time ever.


Underrated poast there.
FOTM is usually game breaking, you can lead the way and have a bit of fun for a while, or you can follow and get wrecked.




Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Memphis Baas
#108 - 2015-03-31 22:44:19 UTC
Didn't read the thread, but to answer the title question, "Why does CCP hate us?", because we whine all the time.
stoicfaux
#109 - 2015-03-31 23:12:41 UTC
Occasions frequently arise causing CCP to hate us and for us to hate CCP. Why? Because the make-up sex is freaking amazing...


Which reminds me, why doesn't the Nexus store sell lingerie?


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#110 - 2015-03-31 23:21:08 UTC
Starry Enigma wrote:
Ok, lets say you trained for fighters, long and hard skill train, cuz you now can be assigning fighters to an alt or fleet members. NO NO, CCP wont let you do that now.

What, we can't make easy isk?

Then again they want high sec people to go and invade null sec systems. If they wanted to hold sov, there are like hundreds of corps/alliances to join. Does CCP really need to revamp SOV for these little leeches?

With no major battles, no major ships lost, what happens to all those who do manufacturing?

Some small alliance spent billions on upgrades, members donated isk for eggs. They felt like it was home. Now a few grievers can come in and take it all away.

Nerf sentries, nerf ships, make jumping almost impossible with fatigue.

Used to be a good 50k people in EVE on weekends a few years ago, now about 38k. What do you think will happen now after these crazy patches?

If CCP hates this game so much, why not just close it? They're taking out so much which people worked for for all these years.

I'm very sad about most of these patch notes, tomorrow's and in June. I've been here for years and hate seeing this wonderful game imploding.



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Veld God
Zonk Squad
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2015-03-31 23:51:56 UTC
Starry Enigma wrote:
Ok, lets say you trained for fighters, long and hard skill train, cuz you now can be assigning fighters to an alt or fleet members. NO NO, CCP wont let you do that now.

What, we can't make easy isk?

Then again they want high sec people to go and invade null sec systems. If they wanted to hold sov, there are like hundreds of corps/alliances to join. Does CCP really need to revamp SOV for these little leeches?

With no major battles, no major ships lost, what happens to all those who do manufacturing?

Some small alliance spent billions on upgrades, members donated isk for eggs. They felt like it was home. Now a few grievers can come in and take it all away.

Nerf sentries, nerf ships, make jumping almost impossible with fatigue.

Used to be a good 50k people in EVE on weekends a few years ago, now about 38k. What do you think will happen now after these crazy patches?

If CCP hates this game so much, why not just close it? They're taking out so much which people worked for for all these years.

I'm very sad about most of these patch notes, tomorrow's and in June. I've been here for years and hate seeing this wonderful game imploding.




Welcome back in World of Warcraft where sometimes your Warlock get a nerf, sometimes your Rogue and whatever you are playing.

Adapt or die ;)

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#112 - 2015-04-01 03:32:09 UTC
Grr Valkyrie stuffs.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#113 - 2015-04-01 12:44:28 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:

Dude, show us the source of your facts.


I dunno about facts but I'd say it a fair factor - I've tried to get a few people into eve IRL - one undocked with PLEX (despite all my advice) and was ganked and quit because of it (I found out later his corp set him up) and another had his retrievers suicide ganked multiple times within a short time and quit. I'm not really sure how to balance that though as having highsec risk free would be pretty meh as well.

As I a veteran player and having put a significant amount of investment into this game over the years I do find the way fighters were handled (something that took a lot of training and so on until I came to be able to fully use those capabilities) and without any real dialogue over the changes really really poor with the result I can't justify investing any more effort into this game as its likely to go to nothing on the snap of a developer's finger without any real say in the matter - I can understand sometimes things need to be changed but something like this should be in a much better managed way.


At Fanfest it was shown that when new players lose a ship they are subscribing more often than players who do not lose a ship. Your "few people" isn't anything else but a "few people". It has no meaning in the argument.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#114 - 2015-04-01 15:34:26 UTC
Balls, get some.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#115 - 2015-04-02 00:17:50 UTC
CCP hates us 'cause we keep talking about them behind their backs in a very public venue. Shocked

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#116 - 2015-04-04 00:27:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:

At Fanfest it was shown that when new players lose a ship they are subscribing more often than players who do not lose a ship. Your "few people" isn't anything else but a "few people". It has no meaning in the argument.


Context - break it down by players losing a ship to NPCs, consensual PVP, non-consensual PVP, etc. and the "facts" may show something different (maybe). Ultimately what I posted before is anecdotal but its certainly been my experience with those players who are new to the game and getting suicide ganked early on tends to discourage them from sticking with the game more than it "inspired" them to get more into the game (as before I don't think having high sec as super safe is the answer either).
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2015-04-04 01:08:39 UTC
Delete from the game SBU's & TCU's and stupid time zonning done deal servers go back to 50k.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Chewytowel Haklar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2015-04-04 01:33:29 UTC
They obviously don't hate you because of the changes they make. They are just steering the game into a new direction before the release the completely new sections of space they eventually will open up through player built gates.

Regardless though, most of us are aware that MMO's change over time. It came be frustrating to those of us who loved a prior version of the game, but ti's the nature of this live development beast.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#119 - 2015-04-04 03:33:21 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Delete from the game SBU's & TCU's and stupid time zonning done deal servers go back to 50k.

You will compensate CCP for 10 years of lost earnings when the serves go to 10k instead right? As everyone has their assets destroyed in their sleep.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2015-04-04 03:35:48 UTC
Hmm not realy i would smile and unsub.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP