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Prideful slavers: Hiding Injustice
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#41 - 2015-03-31 19:59:07 UTC
Kithrus wrote:

I'd be more then happy to please her, but so far I have yet to find her in my quarters....


Saying such things about the Empress, such disrespect!

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#42 - 2015-03-31 22:03:39 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Kithrus wrote:

I'd be more then happy to please her, but so far I have yet to find her in my quarters....


Saying such things about the Empress, such disrespect!


Physical contact in an interracial relationship would do the empress some good.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2015-04-01 08:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Here's the problem with the Tribal system: It is very open to nepotism. Very frequently the holders of any important civil posting tends to be there because they know somebody important or happen to have blood ties with somebody important. There is always this one fellow who is way out of his league in his job who was there because the higher up is his father or grandfather or something or other.

Democracy is designed to ensure that such abuse of power doesn't happen. By putting the power to the people, it ensures that you can't just impress your closest family member, you have to also impress the masses before you even make it to anything important in politics. Note: this only applies to civil and government positions.

The Caldari State meritocracy is even more effective in this regard. It reduces you and your performance down to facts, figures and numbers. If the facts, figures and numbers do not make the mark, you aren't getting that position, doesn't matter who you know. Of course, this is all in theory.

I say even the Amarr Imperial system is less open to nepotism, though not by much. You can get your post by knowing so and so, but if the Empress is around and she is not impressed with you, expect to lose your position right then and there.

Again, Pro's and Con's.


I like to know the families with the money and power in my society. Whether they are out of their league or not they still hold the power and funds to do great deeds with their deep pockets. They might as well have some responsibility while they are in possession of such power in the first place.

With democracy the money gets lost. So does the person who is in possession of it.

I see nothing wrong with the tribal system pulling strings as that happens anyway only with it you know where the strings are instead of in a democracy where you don't.


Meaningless justifications for wrongdoing to suit your purposes at best. To suggest that in a social setting where corruption and nepotism is already taking place these acts are morally just whereas in a system where affluence and social stand is of import the act of subverting lawful or proper procedure is suddenly immoral is plain foolish.




Nepotism is shite. When an institution is treated as a family business there's going to be weak links here and there mucking things up.

Also, Ottom is apparently suffering from confirmation bias or a serious case of cognitive dissonance.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#44 - 2015-04-01 08:45:26 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Here's the problem with the Tribal system: It is very open to nepotism. Very frequently the holders of any important civil posting tends to be there because they know somebody important or happen to have blood ties with somebody important. There is always this one fellow who is way out of his league in his job who was there because the higher up is his father or grandfather or something or other.

Democracy is designed to ensure that such abuse of power doesn't happen. By putting the power to the people, it ensures that you can't just impress your closest family member, you have to also impress the masses before you even make it to anything important in politics. Note: this only applies to civil and government positions.

The Caldari State meritocracy is even more effective in this regard. It reduces you and your performance down to facts, figures and numbers. If the facts, figures and numbers do not make the mark, you aren't getting that position, doesn't matter who you know. Of course, this is all in theory.

I say even the Amarr Imperial system is less open to nepotism, though not by much. You can get your post by knowing so and so, but if the Empress is around and she is not impressed with you, expect to lose your position right then and there.

Again, Pro's and Con's.


I like to know the families with the money and power in my society. Whether they are out of their league or not they still hold the power and funds to do great deeds with their deep pockets. They might as well have some responsibility while they are in possession of such power in the first place.

With democracy the money gets lost. So does the person who is in possession of it.

I see nothing wrong with the tribal system pulling strings as that happens anyway only with it you know where the strings are instead of in a democracy where you don't.


Meaningless justifications for wrongdoing to suit your purposes at best. To suggest that in a social setting where corruption and nepotism is already taking place these acts are morally just whereas in a system where affluence and social stand is of import the act of subverting lawful or proper procedure is suddenly immoral is plain foolish.




Nepotism is shite. When an institution is treated as a family business there's going to be weak links here and there mucking things up.

Also, Ottom is apparently suffering from confirmation bias or a serious case of cognitive dissonance.


When one forgets the institution is made up of real people with real problems and family lives the dissonance becomes more apparent than some mucked up promotions.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2015-04-01 08:48:17 UTC
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Ottom Ephesianos wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Here's the problem with the Tribal system: It is very open to nepotism. Very frequently the holders of any important civil posting tends to be there because they know somebody important or happen to have blood ties with somebody important. There is always this one fellow who is way out of his league in his job who was there because the higher up is his father or grandfather or something or other.

Democracy is designed to ensure that such abuse of power doesn't happen. By putting the power to the people, it ensures that you can't just impress your closest family member, you have to also impress the masses before you even make it to anything important in politics. Note: this only applies to civil and government positions.

The Caldari State meritocracy is even more effective in this regard. It reduces you and your performance down to facts, figures and numbers. If the facts, figures and numbers do not make the mark, you aren't getting that position, doesn't matter who you know. Of course, this is all in theory.

I say even the Amarr Imperial system is less open to nepotism, though not by much. You can get your post by knowing so and so, but if the Empress is around and she is not impressed with you, expect to lose your position right then and there.

Again, Pro's and Con's.


I like to know the families with the money and power in my society. Whether they are out of their league or not they still hold the power and funds to do great deeds with their deep pockets. They might as well have some responsibility while they are in possession of such power in the first place.

With democracy the money gets lost. So does the person who is in possession of it.

I see nothing wrong with the tribal system pulling strings as that happens anyway only with it you know where the strings are instead of in a democracy where you don't.


Meaningless justifications for wrongdoing to suit your purposes at best. To suggest that in a social setting where corruption and nepotism is already taking place these acts are morally just whereas in a system where affluence and social stand is of import the act of subverting lawful or proper procedure is suddenly immoral is plain foolish.




Nepotism is shite. When an institution is treated as a family business there's going to be weak links here and there mucking things up.

Also, Ottom is apparently suffering from confirmation bias or a serious case of cognitive dissonance.


When one forgets the institution is made up of real people with real problems and family lives the dissonance becomes more apparent than some mucked up promotions.


Why yes, my idiot son who barely qualifies as a control rod operator should sit on the director's chair instead of, you know, that engineer with five years of experience on the job and has earned the respect of every single person who has worked in this power plant!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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