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Name change service "sooner rather than later"

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#141 - 2015-03-30 21:04:20 UTC
Galen Estidal wrote:
Individuals. A mere record of corps is not good enough for my purposes. I remember flying styles. Preferred ships. Previous encounters. And of course some people change corps. I want to know them when I meet them again. And I want that information instantly, because it's in my head, not delayed because I first have to check the full character record to find out if I've met them before.


And why should you have this advantage again? Don't you like EVE that is undpredictable? Or are you a ratbear?
Wenda M'mbala
Doomheim
#142 - 2015-03-30 21:09:55 UTC
Galen Estidal wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Galen Estidal wrote:
I'm against this. I solo in low sec. Knowing the local denizens and being able to see at a glance who exactly is in system is crucial knowledge for me. If the local pirates can gain an intel advantage over me simply by changing their names, as far as I'm concerned, that's bad.


You do have their corp marked red, right?

So what's the problem?

Mr Epeen Cool

Individuals. A mere record of corps is not good enough for my purposes. I remember flying styles. Preferred ships. Previous encounters. And of course some people change corps. I want to know them when I meet them again. And I want that information instantly, because it's in my head, not delayed because I first have to check the full character record to find out if I've met them before.



Oh come one now, as if you remember every people you fight with and what fit they use. What's the problem with not being able to instantly know every detail about your opponent anyway? Plus you seem to be building your whole argument on the assumption that everyone is going to change their names every few months, which simply won't be the case.
Galen Estidal
Doomheim
#143 - 2015-03-30 21:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Galen Estidal
Teinyhr wrote:
And why should you have this advantage again? Don't you like EVE that is undpredictable? Or are you a ratbear?

Which advantage do you mean? At the moment, the playing field is level: I know them and they know me. The only "advantage" anyone has is his or her flying skill (situational awareness, ability to call on friends, etc.). This changes, it seems to me, if people can start playing hide and seek behind new names.
Galen Estidal
Doomheim
#144 - 2015-03-30 21:15:19 UTC
Wenda M'mbala wrote:
… you seem to be building your whole argument on the assumption that everyone is going to change their names every few months, which simply won't be the case.

Ah, well then you know something I don't. Congratulations.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#145 - 2015-03-30 21:17:48 UTC
Puh Tayto wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
RIP Moshi and yes...I see how your main could do with a name change Roll


Um, I haven't posted in this thread on my main.

Also, please do tell why changing the name of your character is bad, but a character being bought and played by a completely different person is fine.


I have been wondering that too. Apart from searching the Character Bazaar postings, is there any record of character sales?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#146 - 2015-03-30 21:21:22 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Galen Estidal wrote:
Individuals. A mere record of corps is not good enough for my purposes. I remember flying styles. Preferred ships. Previous encounters. And of course some people change corps. I want to know them when I meet them again. And I want that information instantly, because it's in my head, not delayed because I first have to check the full character record to find out if I've met them before.


And why should you have this advantage again? Don't you like EVE that is undpredictable? Or are you a ratbear?

If he puts the work in to understand it, he should have it.

I know from my own experience that there are characters/Corps I come across regularly and after engaging them several times I have a good understanding of their preferred flying style, the ships and fits they like. It's not something handed to you. It takes a fair bit of time and regular effort to gain that 'local knowledge' and to gain it again each time I get bored of one area and decide to move to another.

So why should he have that advantage? Because if he is smart enough to remember those details, that's experience he should be able to utilise. It's not an advantage that only he alone can have. Anyone can if they put in the time and I bet any regular pvper has some local knowledge they utilise regularly.

I don't personally care one way or the other on the name changes as I'd only need to come across someone once to see they have changed their name, but I can understand why someone would be against the change on the basis of their experience and knowledge of play style.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#147 - 2015-03-30 21:28:25 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#148 - 2015-03-30 22:57:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Teinyhr wrote:
Local should be used for intel as much as that you know there are people in the system and approximately how many.

I actually think local should be removed completely. But if it's gonna be there it should give good intel, not bad intel. And it's not just local. There could be hundreds of people in system and if someone lands on grid with me I need to know whether or not I already know them. In fact it's even more important then.

Puh Tayto wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
RIP Moshi and yes...I see how your main could do with a name change Roll

Um, I haven't posted in this thread on my main.

If you don't know me then perhaps I actually don't know your main, in which case, never mind. Cool

Puh Tayto wrote:

Also, please do tell why changing the name of your character is bad, but a character being bought and played by a completely different person is fine.

It's not fine. It's just as absurd. If I had my way there would be no character sales either. They devalue the importance of reputation and encourage pay-to-win behavior. However, as long as we have them I suppose I could support a one-time name-change for purchased characters because there's no reason to tie a new player to the old player's reputation.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2015-03-31 05:18:15 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

why do people keep arguing "its fine if they just show an old names tab"

what happens when several identical names are used by dozens or more people who have each used dozens of names over a period of YEARS, you gotta remember, there are people who have played eve for over 10 years straight, "previously known as" tabs only work so long as there isnt a list of 50+ names and time periods to sort through
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#150 - 2015-03-31 05:29:23 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

why do people keep arguing "its fine if they just show an old names tab"

what happens when several identical names are used by dozens or more people who have each used dozens of names over a period of YEARS, you gotta remember, there are people who have played eve for over 10 years straight, "previously known as" tabs only work so long as there isnt a list of 50+ names and time periods to sort through



And like i said it my astute post earlier about thus very thing using Ned Stark as example yet used in conjunction with 1 Plex for Avatar Resculpting that is already available.

I mean its kinda gonna happen. Everyone can agree it's terrible for the game and shouldnt be added, yet ccp see dollar signs.

2 plex for toon transfers, 1 plex for avatar rescuplting. Who knows how much for name change and then soon-to-be-incoming sex-change. All i see is plex plex plex double plex plex going to ccp. Hmmmmm
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2015-03-31 06:18:35 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I believe any service talked about involves an alias history tab on the character show info page. I'm still undecided though.

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Dominique Vasilkovsky
#152 - 2015-03-31 12:14:31 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

It will be fun to search for people if this goes ahead, suddenly you get one current persion called X and 10 that has used that name at some stage... So not only do you need to know who the Corp thiefs are, you need to know when they did it.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#153 - 2015-03-31 12:22:21 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

why do people keep arguing "its fine if they just show an old names tab"

what happens when several identical names are used by dozens or more people who have each used dozens of names over a period of YEARS, you gotta remember, there are people who have played eve for over 10 years straight, "previously known as" tabs only work so long as there isnt a list of 50+ names and time periods to sort through

Wow fantastic, you've identified a problem that's completely unworkable, there's no way CCP could ever impose some sort of limit like having players expend PLEX to change their character's name at most once a year or something.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#154 - 2015-03-31 12:23:45 UTC
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I vote never. It's bad to allow name changes. Reputation is a huge part of this game, don't let people slip away from that by allowing a change.

/c

I see no problems in this as CCP would just include a new tab in the 'Show Info' window that will be called 'Name change history' or something like that.

Then you can see what the real name actually is. Actually, alot of forums have the ability to change your username where your old name is in the 'history' of what names you have used earlier.

It will be fun to search for people if this goes ahead, suddenly you get one current persion called X and 10 that has used that name at some stage... So not only do you need to know who the Corp thiefs are, you need to know when they did it.

This kind of irritating cross-referencing is already in the game. Just take anyone with a long corp history in nullsec and try to figure out which alliances they've been in.
Dots
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#155 - 2015-03-31 12:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Dots
Here are the collective objections everyone has been having:

Corp thieves: Previous names and dates can be in the API. These can be pulled into a table and crossreferenced with forum posts (which have dates), EveWho testimonials (which have dates), killmails (which have dates) and so on.

Local intel: Use a tool like Ganker Lookout or PLH if you can't be bothered with something as simple as Personal/Corp Standings (which are CharacterID based).

Blocklists: Like Standings, these are CharacterID based.

Immediate Visual Recognition (mail, chat, etc.): CCP can implement a tooltip for previous names (which can be turned on or off) and you should really use your Notebook or the Notes tab in a character sheet (which is again, characterID based)

Third Party Sites: This is legitimate concern. All our third party sites are built on the legacy assumption that names don't generally change. However, all their backend work should be characterID based. For example, you should be able to pull up someone's kills on Zkillboard based off their current name or CharacterID, but what about previous names?



I think the last item, which includes this forum may constitute a strong reason not to implement name changes. Think about some of the worst case scenarios (and people will exploit these):


  • Changing the name of disposable alts to match the name of a high SP scammer/awoxer. Any PLEX required for a name change will be cheap compared to training up a fresh character. It will clutter up the database and obscure the original awoxer.

  • People imitating other people. It is against the EULA but name changes significantly increase the potential of this occurring that CCP (a small company) would have to enforce.

  • Name squatting: People may change names and then have buyer's remorse. Someone else may come poach the previous name. This will easily become another pasttime, feeding those who play the Character Bazaar market.

  • Sales of names will become a thing. Is CCP prepared for the new scamming opportunities or for ISK that will change hands for vanity names?




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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#156 - 2015-03-31 12:57:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Moshi wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
CCP Logibro wrote:
At this stage, there are no details, and implementing this feature isn't even a sure thing yet. But as CCP Terminus said, it's definitely something we've talked about internally (and even mentioned before this externally).

We'll let you know more in the future if we move forward with it.
Why is this even being considered?
Possibly as a response to player feedback. I guess they get quite a lot of tickets asking for a name change.
You misspelled; "to sell more PLEX" ;)
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#157 - 2015-03-31 13:04:50 UTC
The only way this should ever get implemented, is if other players get the ability to set any previous name from a characters "name history" as the default, that is shown in the client.
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2015-03-31 13:15:17 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Frank Millar wrote:
Quote:
People really shouldn't be punished for naming their character in their teens or because they unknowingly gave their character a dutch swear word as a name.

I see nothing wrong with dutch swear words.

People other than you play eve.

Prove it. You are all figments of my imagination. Bear

I have seen some (dutch) names that made me Laugh Out Loud.

OT: Only allow name change after a character sale. Once. Other than that, forget it.
Reislier
#159 - 2015-03-31 13:20:11 UTC
Why buy character that is hated by many and has bad standings set on how many people?
This makes the character market totally useless to me..
I don't need someone else problems.

I might buy a refurbished pilot.
I would not buy a hated piece of crap with wanted posters all over Eve.

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Puh Tayto
Doomheim
#160 - 2015-03-31 14:09:23 UTC
Dots wrote:
I think the last item, which includes this forum may constitute a strong reason not to implement name changes. Think about some of the worst case scenarios (and people will exploit these):


Third party sites are not CCP's responsibility.

Dots wrote:
Changing the name of disposable alts to match the name of a high SP scammer/awoxer.


Irrelevant. People can already create disposable alts with similar names to other characters.

Dots wrote:
People imitating other people. It is against the EULA but name changes significantly increase the potential of this occurring that CCP (a small company) would have to enforce.


Not a big deal. As you say, rules against this are already in place. It is stretching credulity somewhat to suggest that this would happen on such a scale as to overwhelm CCP's workload. And I doubt masses of players will risk paying PLEX or real money to have action taken against their account.

Dots wrote:
Name squatting: People may change names and then have buyer's remorse. Someone else may come poach the previous name. This will easily become another pasttime, feeding those who play the Character Bazaar market.


Tenuous at best. People can already poach the names of biomassed characters. If someone's dumb enough to pay for a name they don't want then tough luck.

Dot wrote:
Sales of names will become a thing. Is CCP prepared for the new scamming opportunities or for ISK that will change hands for vanity names?


Non issue.