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Heat Mitigation Stuff
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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#1 - 2015-03-30 17:25:09 UTC
This is another one of my... "would anyone like to see?" topics. Not saying "I think there should be...!"

How about a module type for reducing heat damage? Could be a low slot, like a weapon upgrade. Could also be a targeted "coolant injector" or something, that you apply to friendlies to reduce heat and/or heat damage accumulation. How about both?

A set of rigs that reduce heat/module damage?

And finally, how about a new ship that supports the fleet by reducing heat damage? Possibly with range/effectiveness bonus to the new targeted "coolant injector" mod described above.

or...

I was also thinking about AOE cooling effects. A "cold bubble" if you will. This would mean turning it on in a brawl would also be helping the enemy.

Do we want things like this? Or do we think overheating is powerful enough, and there shouldn't be any ways to stop/slow burning out?

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#2 - 2015-03-30 18:00:22 UTC
In before totally invulnerable Deep space transport fleet ^^

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Madd Adda
#3 - 2015-03-30 18:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Madd Adda
considering skills reduce heat damage 25% and certain ships reduce it another 25% *cough* t3 ships *cough* don't you see this a more problematic and exacerbates the problem of some OP ships?

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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#4 - 2015-03-30 18:29:08 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
In before totally invulnerable Deep space transport fleet ^^


I don't follow...

What are you talking about? Do Deep Space Transports use overheating a lot? Do these ideas make deep space transports invulnerable somehow? Maybe there's something I just don't know about...

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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#5 - 2015-03-30 18:33:31 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
considering skills reduce heat damage 25% and curtain ships reduce it another 25% *cough* t3 ships *cough* don't you see this a more problematic and exacerbates the problem of some OP ships


lol @ curtain ships.

But yea, I wasn't really considering T3's heat bonus. I think T3s are stupidly overpowered, and stupid additions to the game, but their overheat bonus is not the reason I think that. If anything, I'd say nerf most of their other stats, but leave their overheat abilities.

So yea, something like these ideas could be troublesome for balance when it comes to T3s, but not game-breaking. I'm sure a balance could be found.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2015-03-30 19:28:05 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
In before totally invulnerable Deep space transport fleet ^^


I don't follow...

What are you talking about? Do Deep Space Transports use overheating a lot? Do these ideas make deep space transports invulnerable somehow? Maybe there's something I just don't know about...



Quote:

Role bonus:
90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue
2+ bonus to ship warp core strength
100% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules, and Resistance Modules
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#7 - 2015-03-30 19:39:03 UTC
I too want a proteus that can achieve over the current -75% to heat damage we have now. Twisted


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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#8 - 2015-03-30 20:21:24 UTC
Quote:

Role bonus:
90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue
2+ bonus to ship warp core strength
100% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules, and Resistance Modules


Cool, but... 100% bonus to BENEFITS of overheating... nothing to do with heat, heat damage, or burning out. So these ideas wouldn't make DSTs any more resistant to heat damage than normal ships.

Even if you fit a DST with pure "coolant" rigs, fill the lows with "cooling" mods, and have a fleet of 50 of the new "coolant" logi ships following it around giving it constant Remote Coolant... the DST doesn't become "totally invulnerable".

Let's say all that would allow a DST to overheat forever without burning out... still not "invulnerable". It's still only as good as it was before, it just can't burn out modules.

The only reason I can think of for not having this, is if everyone just agrees that Overheating is strong enough that allowing more of it would be a bad thing.


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Lugh Crow-Slave
#9 - 2015-03-31 15:34:50 UTC
All this would do would make it so every mod created more heat as they are currently balanced to have minimum heat at thermo V

yes odds are you could get less heat than current with a few mods but you would definitely get more heat then current with out them.




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BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#10 - 2015-03-31 15:35:32 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
In before totally invulnerable Deep space transport fleet ^^



forget that T3s would go from op to near gods

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-03-31 17:19:44 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Quote:

Role bonus:
90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue
2+ bonus to ship warp core strength
100% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules, and Resistance Modules


Cool, but... 100% bonus to BENEFITS of overheating... nothing to do with heat, heat damage, or burning out. So these ideas wouldn't make DSTs any more resistant to heat damage than normal ships.

Even if you fit a DST with pure "coolant" rigs, fill the lows with "cooling" mods, and have a fleet of 50 of the new "coolant" logi ships following it around giving it constant Remote Coolant... the DST doesn't become "totally invulnerable".

Let's say all that would allow a DST to overheat forever without burning out... still not "invulnerable". It's still only as good as it was before, it just can't burn out modules.

The only reason I can think of for not having this, is if everyone just agrees that Overheating is strong enough that allowing more of it would be a bad thing.





Overheated ASBs. Several of them, with 80KM3 of boosters.