Player Features and Ideas Discussion

atm i dont do missions against the empire factions because of the standings losees.

however there is isk to be made in doing them from the tags that u get.

so my proposal is to make missions against the empire factions covert. To do this simply make the standings loss timed so if u take more than x amount of time u are identified by the opposing army and then takes the standings loss.

this would open up more missions to people who dont do missions against the empire factions.

what do you think?

of course this only applies to those missions against empire faction

CCP is currently studying the standings mechanic, with some hints that standings as we know them are going away.

Moving this from Missions and Complexes to Features and Ideas.

this would cause my 2 alts I haven't used much since pos standings removal even more useless.

now wtf am I going to do with them

edit: this also stops me from using my neutrality as a tactic against those with poor faction standings.
whats next? sec status going away since a -10 jump through loop holes and reship with out being detected?

I would argue the exact opposite, that missions especially in hisec should almost exclusively be empire forces and there should be no way to avoid standing loss in such fights, you are there to represent your faction, also take the consequences for it, although Empire forces should also yield essential "factional bounties" as at least partial payment.

Combat missions against pirate factions should be outright located in <0.5 only, I'd even say taking missions from a certain faction should influence the enemy factions negatively immediately, standings should reflect loyalty.


This would bring about a much more cohesive factional belonging and take us a few steps away from the mindless FFA EVE currently is, bring us a more faction oriented mindset where consequences cannot simply be brushed aside as a mere inconvenience.

Living in Empire space and thus belonging to a faction has to actually mean something more, especially for high sec dwellers who often do their utmost to avoid risky situations; If you want to fight pirates, you should do it in less secure areas where they(should near exclusively) exist, also player pirates.


Also, since we're on the subject of factional cohesion, the next step would be to add the chained lowsec barrier around all the different Empire factions as has been proposed earlier, giving us separated faction economies, more reasonable and loyal factional cohesion, more drama and factional conflict... all good things, and the importance of Jita would be but a memory.

so you want the reward form shooting a faction but none of the risk......

I haven't been able to fly through gal/minm space w/o shadows in years do to FW and it has not affected me much at all since a few slow navy ships are hardly a threat and easy to avoid


however the whole standings system needs an over haul its just a pain and forces people into aspects of the game they have no interest in

Going against the grain and several other ideas here.

No to ways of circumventing the standing losses associated with running faction missions timed or otherwise. I an surprised that several of the more vocal choices and consequences supporters on these forums are lining up in favor of this.
Losing standing is the consequence for choosing to run these faction missions.

Having said that the payouts for these would have to be balanced as everybody would run them.
Then again maybe they would be self balancing as the prices for these tags would drop through the floor because of the supply would likely be greater than the demand.

Last objection is simply this.
Devs have more important things to work on than this, and if the standings system is going to be re-worked in the future then the devs time would essentially be wasted on something that may be extremely short lived in the game.

its if i murder them without being identfied...and yes people care but who can they blame?