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Will CCP be hiring Marmites ?

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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#221 - 2015-03-29 19:32:13 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
"The best defense is a good offense" - Mahatma Gandhi

I thought that was Mel, the cook on 'Alice'?


That reminds me of another quote:

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln


Abe Lincoln is know for being honest...
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#222 - 2015-03-29 19:35:45 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

So you make 6 alts in different sham corps and just play one whichever one isnt decced. How have you helped the game?


That's cute! First; How are you helping?
And second, I'm helping by making PLAYERS stick around where you are... well, what ARE you doing?

D.

Bear

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Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#223 - 2015-03-29 19:42:47 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

So you make 6 alts in different sham corps and just play one whichever one isnt decced. How have you helped the game?


That's cute! First; How are you helping?
And second, I'm helping by making PLAYERS stick around where you are... well, what ARE you doing?

D.

Bear



I'm helping the game. I'm pretty sure I'm getting a retention award.

It hasn't showed up yet though.

I want to continue to help the game, but it's not as viable of a playstyle as it used to be.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#224 - 2015-03-29 21:56:08 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not interested in killing anyone. Would prefer better mechanics that didn't encourage marmite mass wardeccing with neither rhyme nor reason.
One of the reasons Marmite and the like wardec multiple corps at once is the drop/remake corp mechanic you're so fond of using.

They have to dec multiple corps to have something to shoot at when nullsec folk aren't being stupid in highsec.


What a confused argument. The fold corp option should make mass wardeccing less useful, and force careful target selection to find corps that have a reason to stay in business. That marmite doesn't even bother shows what a sham the whole thing is.


The fold corp method of dodging wars is ridiculous. Imo, it should cost...no less than the cost of the war dec...because it is essentially a surrender. So you see...there is an argument for the other side of that issue as well... Roll


Sure...so you make folding corps expensive.

Result: Wardecc targets simply dock up and play on alts for a week....they have a chain of alts in 1 man corps with 1 alt in npc corp...they play on whichever 1 man corp alt isnt decced, and if they all get decced switch to the npc alt.

Now what? It's your move, milady.


Not everyone is as cowardly as you Veers...but that is your perrogative. Play on an alt, it doesn't matter. The purpose of a war is to disrupt normal corp opperations..which if you are forced to play on an alt, has succeeded. There is much more to it than making ships go boom...but I don't expect you to understand that. Sooner or later you will have to take a stand beyond complaining. Veers, has it ever occured to you that quite possibly if it wasn't so easy to dodge wars that there would be less ganking? People have found other ways to get the action they seek within the mechanics.

Once again..let me put it to you simple. If you are a golf or tennis person, you don't go to a hockey game, complain that it's "too violent", then ask that the game be changed because you don't like the way the game is played. You, sir, should not be at the hockey game if you like the relaxing nature of golf. When you make the choice to go to said game anyways, you accept what makes the game what it is and have no right to complain. Oh, so you paid too...well then that was your mistake. Perhaps in the future you will make more informed decisions.

...so..what now? It's your move good sir..Cool

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#225 - 2015-03-29 22:02:46 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


Not everyone is as cowardly as you Veers...but that is your perrogative. Play on an alt, it doesn't matter. The purpose of a war is to disrupt normal corp opperations..which if you are forced to play on an alt, has succeeded. There is much more to it than making ships go boom...but I don't expect you to understand that. Sooner or later you will have to take a stand beyond complaining. Veers, has it ever occured to you that quite possibly if it wasn't so easy to dodge wars that there would be less ganking? People have found other ways to get the action they seek within the mechanics.

Once again..let me put it to you simple. If you are a golf or tennis person, you don't go to a hockey game, complain that it's "too violent", then ask that the game be changed because you don't like the way the game is played. You, sir, should not be at the hockey game if you like the relaxing nature of golf. When you make the choice to go to said game anyways, you accept what makes the game what it is and have no right to complain. Oh, so you paid too...well then that was your mistake. Perhaps in the future you will make more informed decisions.

...so..what now? It's your move good sir..Cool


Oh dear...a swing...and a miss.

The point isn't crying about wardecs. The point is to intelligently analyze how wardeccs influence social cohesion in highsec. By demonstrating that the current mechanics encourage social isolation to effectively evade wars, and that there is no tangible way to change that mechanic, to the extent that we cannot force people to log on, undock, and fight - the logical conclusion is that nonconsensual wars are a net negative for the game, and need to go.

Nothing about bravery or cowardice here - only a cool analysis of if the current wardec mechanics make the game better or worse. And worse it is, by a mile. Unless you have some way of designing wars to foster increased socialization, as opposed to increased isolation, you should agree that wars are a net negative for the game.
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
#226 - 2015-03-29 22:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hakaari Inkuran
Tora Bushido wrote:
Fanfest 2015 was awesome and I'll be going to Fanfest 2016 to join the fun. Looking at all the twitch streams I noticed one nice presentation by CCP Rise.

Have a look at these 4 slides from this presentation :

One, two, three and four.

CCP Rise says : People who die play longer (Talking about new players in Eve)

Since Marmites is one of the alliances who probably kills most of the players in high-sec (like RvB, Eve Uni, Forsaken Asylum, etc), should CCP be hiring us ? it will keep more newbro's in the game. Blink


Tora

The Marmite Collective aka CCP's Isk Sink aka CCP Keep Newbro's in Game.

Not that I'm questioning the reality, I'm going to question the graph. How does that graph show retention? It just shows newbros die 16% of the time and 1% of those are purely illegal deaths. There's no representation of retention data at all. I feel like everybody is discussing some secret 5th slide that actually showed relevant percentages to the hypothesis.

Edit: Were the '80k' users in slide 1, people who unsubscribed? That might be the crucial bit of info that I'm missing.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#227 - 2015-03-29 22:25:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


Not everyone is as cowardly as you Veers...but that is your perrogative. Play on an alt, it doesn't matter. The purpose of a war is to disrupt normal corp opperations..which if you are forced to play on an alt, has succeeded. There is much more to it than making ships go boom...but I don't expect you to understand that. Sooner or later you will have to take a stand beyond complaining. Veers, has it ever occured to you that quite possibly if it wasn't so easy to dodge wars that there would be less ganking? People have found other ways to get the action they seek within the mechanics.

Once again..let me put it to you simple. If you are a golf or tennis person, you don't go to a hockey game, complain that it's "too violent", then ask that the game be changed because you don't like the way the game is played. You, sir, should not be at the hockey game if you like the relaxing nature of golf. When you make the choice to go to said game anyways, you accept what makes the game what it is and have no right to complain. Oh, so you paid too...well then that was your mistake. Perhaps in the future you will make more informed decisions.

...so..what now? It's your move good sir..Cool


Oh dear...a swing...and a miss.

The point isn't crying about wardecs. The point is to intelligently analyze how wardeccs influence social cohesion in highsec. By demonstrating that the current mechanics encourage social isolation to effectively evade wars, and that there is no tangible way to change that mechanic, to the extent that we cannot force people to log on, undock, and fight - the logical conclusion is that nonconsensual wars are a net negative for the game, and need to go.

Nothing about bravery or cowardice here - only a cool analysis of if the current wardec mechanics make the game better or worse. And worse it is, by a mile. Unless you have some way of designing wars to foster increased socialization, as opposed to increased isolation, you should agree that wars are a net negative for the game.


You are trying to over analyze a game Veers...so in this, your whole point is being lost. Eve is a game. Morals don't apply. You play to have fun and people have different brands of fun. I didn't expect you to understand as you are unwilling to see things for what they are. Negative for the game is your opinion. You are playing a game of fighting and war. Your "visions" for a "better" eve are ludicrous. You are not a hero, you re not the savior or the game, you are just another sub who cannot accept things for what they are. You will never "get it" until you open your mind, realize that you are playing a game, and move on to join others in what the game is all about. You can argue about it all you want...but you are missing the true meaning.

Bottom line, if you don't like the way it is...move on. Shiptoasting on the forums because you don't like the way things are, when you accepted this fact the moment you decided to play, is pointless and only serves to further your narcisism. Having opinion and ideals is good...but unless you are willing to live and learn both sides of the issue, you are only fooling yourself into thinking you are right. I once thought like you....but I put my big girl pants on and grew up. Twisted

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#228 - 2015-03-30 02:00:50 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


You are trying to over analyze a game Veers...so in this, your whole point is being lost. Eve is a game. Morals don't apply. You play to have fun and people have different brands of fun. I didn't expect you to understand as you are unwilling to see things for what they are. Negative for the game is your opinion. You are playing a game of fighting and war. Your "visions" for a "better" eve are ludicrous. You are not a hero, you re not the savior or the game, you are just another sub who cannot accept things for what they are. You will never "get it" until you open your mind, realize that you are playing a game, and move on to join others in what the game is all about. You can argue about it all you want...but you are missing the true meaning.

Bottom line, if you don't like the way it is...move on. Shiptoasting on the forums because you don't like the way things are, when you accepted this fact the moment you decided to play, is pointless and only serves to further your narcisism. Having opinion and ideals is good...but unless you are willing to live and learn both sides of the issue, you are only fooling yourself into thinking you are right. I once thought like you....but I put my big girl pants on and grew up. Twisted


The impact of wardecs on social interaction in highsec has nothing to do with morality - it has to do with improving the gameplay experience for everyone. Thankfully CCP is constantly improving the game, with awoxxing recently discarded, and failed highsec wardeccs hopefully soon to follow.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#229 - 2015-03-30 02:47:03 UTC
You know I don't feel you are reaching your target audience here veers. Perhaps make the trip to Iceland and protest highsec wars outside CCP headquarters

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#230 - 2015-03-30 03:57:32 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


The impact of wardecs on social interaction in highsec has nothing to do with morality - it has to do with improving the gameplay experience for everyone. Thankfully CCP is constantly improving the game, with awoxxing recently discarded, and failed highsec wardeccs hopefully soon to follow.


Wrong.

Wardecs have a giant impact on social interaction in highsec. I know this because being wardecced by a ****-hot merc corp forced my carebear alliance to disband, and sent me packing for lowsec, where I learned how to EvE.

So, when you say "improve the experience for everyone", are you hopeful that wardecs are gone completely, and that highsec should be a safe zone where no consequences apply? Honestly, from reading your posts, it gives the impression that you think highsec ISK farming should be risk-free.

Risk free and EvE are mutually exclusive terms. ( That means they cant exist in the same place at the same time, in case you needed a hand with that.)

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#231 - 2015-03-30 04:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


You are trying to over analyze a game Veers...so in this, your whole point is being lost. Eve is a game. Morals don't apply. You play to have fun and people have different brands of fun. I didn't expect you to understand as you are unwilling to see things for what they are. Negative for the game is your opinion. You are playing a game of fighting and war. Your "visions" for a "better" eve are ludicrous. You are not a hero, you re not the savior or the game, you are just another sub who cannot accept things for what they are. You will never "get it" until you open your mind, realize that you are playing a game, and move on to join others in what the game is all about. You can argue about it all you want...but you are missing the true meaning.

Bottom line, if you don't like the way it is...move on. Shiptoasting on the forums because you don't like the way things are, when you accepted this fact the moment you decided to play, is pointless and only serves to further your narcisism. Having opinion and ideals is good...but unless you are willing to live and learn both sides of the issue, you are only fooling yourself into thinking you are right. I once thought like you....but I put my big girl pants on and grew up. Twisted


The impact of wardecs on social interaction in highsec has nothing to do with morality - it has to do with improving the gameplay experience for everyone. Thankfully CCP is constantly improving the game, with awoxxing recently discarded, and failed highsec wardeccs hopefully soon to follow.


You mean "improving" gameplay for you..Like I said...If you don't like hockey...

War decs are not going to go away Veers..no matter how much you cry about it. You can live in that Kumbaya mentality all you want...but war and conflict are the very core of Eve and it has been stated numerous times by CCP. Cry elsewhere. People like YOU are the reason for ganking. People like YOU are the reason for decs on small corps. Entitlement and complacency are the order of the day for types like yourself. You are not entitled to safety, or isk, or avoiding conflict...and if you become complacent, you lose. You are either the predator or the prey..and the prey becomes noticed when they cry out in a field of predators. I have played Eve more than twice as long as you..so please spare me the Veers "lesson" on what eve is "supposed" to be.

Tbh, you really have no business in Eve if this is what you want and expect Veers . Eve is what it is, like it or not. Stop trying to ruin the game for those who can hack it to accomodate those who probably shouldn't be playing it to begin with. It's a harsh universe out there Veers...you either learn how to adapt..or you die. Twisted

You know Veers...it's really hard to tell sometimes if you are actually serious about the things you say. You are either trolling...in which case I salute you...or you actually believe the ridiculous, poorly thought out, contradictive statements that you spew forth on these forums. I actually hope you are just a troll...because then you'd make sense. Lol

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#232 - 2015-03-30 04:51:06 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Masao Kurata wrote:
If people leave NPC corps because of the tax, levy an NPC tax on player corporations in inverse proportion to the number of active pve pilots in the corporation, starting at 20% for a one man corporation and hitting 1% at one hundred active members. Definition of active pve pilot pending, wouldn't want it to be easily abusable :P

Yes this is intentionally higher than NPC corporations for one man corps, the reason being that you get to waste wardeccers' time and ISK.


So you just join sham corps of random people with no interaction, and continue to roll corp or play on alt during wardeccs.


How cute, you think there will be a break in wardecs for 100 man pve tax mills with no leadership.
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#233 - 2015-03-30 05:07:30 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


You mean "improving" gameplay for you..Like I said...If you don't like hockey...

War decs are not going to go away Veers..no matter how much you cry about it. You can live in that Kumbaya mentality all you want...but war and conflict are the very core of Eve and it has been stated numerous times by CCP. Cry elsewhere. People like YOU are the reason for ganking. People like YOU are the reason for decs on small corps. Entitlement and complacency are the order of the day for types like yourself. You are not entitled to safety, or isk, or avoiding conflict...and if you become complacent, you lose. You are either the predator or the prey..and the prey becomes noticed when they cry out in a field of predators. I have played Eve more than twice as long as you..so please spare me the Veers "lesson" on what eve is "supposed" to be.

Tbh, you really have no business in Eve if this is what you want and expect Veers . Eve is what it is, like it or not. Stop trying to ruin the game for those who can hack it to accomodate those who probably shouldn't be playing it to begin with. It's a harsh universe out there Veers...you either learn how to adapt..or you die. Twisted

You know Veers...it's really hard to tell sometimes if you are actually serious about the things you say. You are either trolling...in which case I salute you...or you actually believe the ridiculous, poorly thought out, contradictive statements that you spew forth on these forums. I actually hope you are just a troll...because then you'd make sense. Lol

shh don't let him know we are onto him Blink

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#234 - 2015-03-30 07:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Veers Belvar wrote:
intelligently analyze
hahahaha, Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile, You lost me laughing at "intelligently" ...... haha. There are many words I would describe you with. This isnt one of them.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#235 - 2015-03-30 07:28:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Tora Bushido wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
intelligently analyze
hahahaha, Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile, You lost me laughing at "intelligently" ...... haha. There are many words I would describe you with. This isnt one of them.


OMG...I almost lost it and spilled my drink on my laptop. I wasn't gonna go there....straight out anyways. Lol

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#236 - 2015-03-30 07:35:17 UTC
Veers, CCP pretty much already confirmed you're wrong so at this point you're just embarrassing yourself for sport or something.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#237 - 2015-03-30 09:21:13 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
intelligently analyze
hahahaha, Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile, You lost me laughing at "intelligently" ...... haha. There are many words I would describe you with. This isnt one of them.

Doesn't apply to you either imo. Or anyone else in this thread and others who keep replying to that guy.

Veers Belvar, See 'n Pee Master Troll A Number One. 10/10.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#238 - 2015-03-30 09:41:48 UTC
I think its time to close the post. Nuf said....

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#239 - 2015-03-30 09:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
Veers,
Come see me in Umokka.

We'll talk, my offer stands.
Mo
Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#240 - 2015-03-30 10:02:05 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
intelligently analyze
hahahaha, Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile, You lost me laughing at "intelligently" ...... haha. There are many words I would describe you with. This isnt one of them.

so i now have coke all over my keyboard and 2/3 of my monitors...

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Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta

Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop

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