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Bye Bye AFK Cloaking

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Shaklu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#201 - 2015-03-28 03:45:12 UTC
I like it. New stuff is cool, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but always fun to try it out!
Jenshae Chiroptera
#202 - 2015-03-28 04:00:13 UTC
Shaklu wrote:
I like it. New stuff is cool, if it doesn't work then it doesn't work, but always fun to try it out!
Hang on, I have a new iron maiden and some vinegar. Want to try it out? Roll

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Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#203 - 2015-03-28 06:30:35 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Hey, if they remove local - AFK cloaking won't even be needed anymore.
Recons + D-scan immunity + mobile depot + cloak to evade probes
baltec1 wrote:
Its funny how people pick up on the hint of an afk cloaking nerf while ignoring that there was also a hint at local chat intel nerf in the same announcement.
Worm Holes will be sweet heaven as you can't hot drop there.


Cant have one without the other.

You people pushed and this is the end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2015-03-28 09:50:01 UTC
Wait, this is an extreme counter to cloaky forum posting. Eve will be ruined!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#205 - 2015-03-28 11:51:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You people pushed and this is the end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon.
I'd be very surprised if they did push forward the local change. Null sec would empty out. The bulk of the people crying about it will be the ones flying system to system for hours on end and finding no PvE players to kill. To be honest I don't really care if they kill null with a change like that, since it will prove a point to all of the idiots that think PvE players would just hand themselves over to be farmed if the mechanics changed.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2015-03-28 11:59:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You people pushed and this is the end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon.
I'd be very surprised if they did push forward the local change. Null sec would empty out. The bulk of the people crying about it will be the ones flying system to system for hours on end and finding no PvE players to kill. To be honest I don't really care if they kill null with a change like that, since it will prove a point to all of the idiots that think PvE players would just hand themselves over to be farmed if the mechanics changed.

isn't the usual attack 'you just want local to remain so you can kill pve players easier'?

or was it 'you just want local to remain so you can pve with no risk, nullbear'?

maybe it was 'you just want local to be removed to catalyse the summoning rituals of the dark lord'

frankly human sacrifices work just fine in wormholes and there's no hotdrop there to interrupt long chanting sessions

please explain how an afk player can summon an elder monstrosity from beyond reality
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#207 - 2015-03-28 12:21:15 UTC
Benny, shh!

Let them go on thinking it will end up being a net buff to safety, we have the potential Freighter nerf thead 2.0 going on here!

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#208 - 2015-03-28 16:02:10 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You people puse end result, local intel tool is getting nerfed so you can hunt down something that wasn't an issue to start with. Just like with the freighter nerf people are going to get what they asked for along with everything else required to balance out the change.I feel another round of I told you so coming soon.
I'd be very surprised if they did push forward the local change. Null sec would empty out. The bulk of the people crying about it will be the ones flying system to system for hours on end and finding no PvE players to kill. To be honest I don't really care if they kill null with a change like that, since it will prove a point to all of the idiots that think PvE players would just hand themselves over to be farmed if the mechanics changed.


Its going to happen when you get your nerf to afk cloaking, CCP have more or less admitted this. We did warn you.
Darren Airtex
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#209 - 2015-03-29 04:01:09 UTC
Things that make you go...............hhhhmmmmmm.


I have used a cloak to find gate camps and send that information to the current roaming FW fleet. That information is then used by the FC to determine either to fight or go around.
AFK Cloaker
Matari Exodus
#210 - 2015-03-29 09:09:25 UTC
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#211 - 2015-03-29 09:44:22 UTC
AFK Cloaker wrote:
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Go away! You're not here!
Go away!

/me docks up
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#212 - 2015-03-29 11:29:34 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
isn't the usual attack 'you just want local to remain so you can kill pve players easier'?

or was it 'you just want local to remain so you can pve with no risk, nullbear'?

maybe it was 'you just want local to be removed to catalyse the summoning rituals of the dark lord'

frankly human sacrifices work just fine in wormholes and there's no hotdrop there to interrupt long chanting sessions

please explain how an afk player can summon an elder monstrosity from beyond reality
Quite honestly we can go on back and forthing over this ad infinitum with you screeching on about how AFK players do nothing. The fact is that if that were true, people wouldn't AFK cloak. You can act like you're ignorant of the facts all you want but that won't change them.

And lol, keep comparing null to wormholes. If local were removed from null, there would be no point in not moving to a wormhole for better rewards and increased safety.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#213 - 2015-03-29 11:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
baltec1 wrote:
Its going to happen when you get your nerf to afk cloaking, CCP have more or less admitted this. We did warn you.
Warn me? Why would you warn me? It will affect me to the sum of zero either way. The only reason I support the removal of AFK cloaking is because the ability to sit in space for hours AFK with 100% safety is ludicrous. As for PvE players which I imagine you were assuming me to be, why would they care? They can get just as much isk in highsec, and more in wormhole space and be safer in both cases than null without local. If local goes from null, so does the vast majority of the population, and the ones crying about it will be players who used to PvP there.

But no, I don;t see it happening to be honest. CCP barely hinted at it, and speaking to the devs at fanfest there's absolutely nothing set in stone for it. I reckon they'd realise it will kill off null population and give it a miss.

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Torviak Sandman
Doomheim
#214 - 2015-03-29 13:06:45 UTC
Dear ISD, please lock the thread, all I see is non constructive criticism aka ranting and lots of trolls logging in to comment on the issue.
Torviak Sandman
Doomheim
#215 - 2015-03-29 13:07:38 UTC
Torviak Sandman wrote:
Dear ISD, please lock the thread, all I see is non constructive criticism aka ranting and lots of trolls logging in to comment on the issue.


PS - lock thread due to violations...
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
#216 - 2015-03-29 13:22:30 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

...catalyse the summoning rituals of the dark lord'
....long chanting sessions
........ summon an elder monstrosity from beyond reality


You made my day. Bear
Jenshae Chiroptera
#217 - 2015-03-29 13:54:14 UTC
CCP, "Null Sec is printing ISK!"
Null Line Member, "Well, yes, it has the highest bounties so that is where ISK is generated"
CCP, "Ah ha! So you are filthy rich!"
Null Line Member, "No. The cost of living in Null is high and I have to keep buying things from High Sec."
CCP, "Lies! Lies! We have our graphs!"

Null Line Member,
"Okay, so explain this to me then?
Why do alliances find SRP programs such a huge help?
Why are so many member 'risk adverse Null Bear'?
Why is most of EVE bottled up in High Sec, most likely in NPC and teaching corps?
If Null is such a heaven then why aren't more people pushing their way out into Null Sec?"

CCP, "Null stagnation! Super capital blobs and Titans are keeping the status quo!"
Null Line Member, "Surely people can join and then fragment portions of those coalitions away? What if you made a proper stepping stone from High Sec to Null Sec?"

Fozzie Logic Low Sec 2.0, full of nerf bats coming to your Null Sec this summer! Roll

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#218 - 2015-03-29 18:02:45 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its going to happen when you get your nerf to afk cloaking, CCP have more or less admitted this. We did warn you.
Warn me? Why would you warn me? It will affect me to the sum of zero either way. The only reason I support the removal of AFK cloaking is because the ability to sit in space for hours AFK with 100% safety is ludicrous. As for PvE players which I imagine you were assuming me to be, why would they care? They can get just as much isk in highsec, and more in wormhole space and be safer in both cases than null without local. If local goes from null, so does the vast majority of the population, and the ones crying about it will be players who used to PvP there.

But no, I don;t see it happening to be honest. CCP barely hinted at it, and speaking to the devs at fanfest there's absolutely nothing set in stone for it. I reckon they'd realise it will kill off null population and give it a miss.


CCP hinted at it as much as they hinted at a nerf to AFK cloaking. They also gave me what I have been asking for for years, sov null mission agents.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2015-03-29 18:12:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
isn't the usual attack 'you just want local to remain so you can kill pve players easier'?

or was it 'you just want local to remain so you can pve with no risk, nullbear'?

maybe it was 'you just want local to be removed to catalyse the summoning rituals of the dark lord'

frankly human sacrifices work just fine in wormholes and there's no hotdrop there to interrupt long chanting sessions

please explain how an afk player can summon an elder monstrosity from beyond reality
Quite honestly we can go on back and forthing over this ad infinitum with you screeching on about how AFK players do nothing. The fact is that if that were true, people wouldn't AFK cloak. You can act like you're ignorant of the facts all you want but that won't change them.

And lol, keep comparing null to wormholes. If local were removed from null, there would be no point in not moving to a wormhole for better rewards and increased safety.

the clue that i was not serious is the fact that you actually cannot breach the membrane between reality and the infinite madness beyond time in eve online

i've got no wriggling wormbeast in this race
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#220 - 2015-03-29 18:48:36 UTC
Darren Airtex wrote:
Things that make you go...............hhhhmmmmmm.


I have used a cloak to find gate camps and send that information to the current roaming FW fleet. That information is then used by the FC to determine either to fight or go around.


this isnt what the intentions are, its the people who just build alts to use covops cloaks and just put them in dozens of systems for weeks on end, your not afk cloaking if you are actually using the tool strategically and moving around

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