EVE General Discussion

The simple reason is that without gate camping there would be little to do for low sec dwellers.

Everything is better in high or null sec.

Mr Epeen

There's always FW complexes.

I don't understand the story, don't get the message.

Anytime i would get a urge to fly around in hostile areas, i would just put some crazy fit on a frig and see how far i could go until the inevitable would happen. There were times i would travel a long time before getting sucked into a camp and getting a free ticket back to the cloner.

I make a game out of it instead. Its a good change of pace sometimes.....not to mention some of the campers i made angry by getting away.

P.S. OP i would definitely flirt with your avatar and buy her a drink........just saying.

isnt this what WH are for?

Okay, this reads like an honest post simply sharing thoughts, asking for input.


You are right with your conclusion, but wrong with your perspective.

It is true that there are people who do not venture outside of highsec,
because they fear gate-camps.

It is false to assume that every gate is camped. Anyone who does not try properly,
yet speaks up about it, has no ground to talk about it.

Like "too much noobgriefing" there are people who only work on hearsay
and people who generalise wwaaayyy too much.

"Everyone's a griefer in this game" is one example.
Another is "Gate-camps force me to stay in highsec."


Your post doesn't read like someone who speaks from experience,
which makes it really hard to have a proper talk about this.

I urge you to avoid hearsay at all cost,
especially when it comes to people who generalise everyone into the "griefer" category.

These people usually are the actually bad ones,
which they prove quite often when they speak up.

Like Basil, for example.


Regarding undocking it's the same thing. You do not seem to speak from experience,
but in any case do you show that you lack understanding of game mechanics.

Besides nullsec where you might be trapped by bubbles,
you can create instaundock bookmarks for every station out there one way or another.

No one ... absolutely no one ... is forced to stay in a station,
except when bubbled in nullsec. (and then he can still die a glorious death anyway)


The conclusion is:

The real issue is lack of understanding of game mechanics.
How to avoid what is simply only *perceived* as unavoidable.


Removing gates all together would, with current game mechanics,
pretty much remove 99% of all combat from the game,
because except on stations, no one would meet anyone else.

Thus this idea can be dismissed as bonkers.


The absolutely earliest we would see such a feature talked about as possibility,
would be when CCP manages to unlink systems from their nodes.

A node is a piece of the server, which calculates in-game activity for one or more systems.

Systems with lower activity (it's all measured before downtime and then re-configured)
will be put together on one node ... and some systems get their own one. Like Jita.


TL;DR:


No.

Now , I'm the 1st to tell people that you can't really jump to conclusions about a person's motivations from one post (now, 100 posts with the same theme, you can discern motivation from that lol).

That being said, you probably died to a gate camp, because their aren't a lot of other reason for this kind of nonsense post. In the almost 8 years I've played EVE Online, CCP has added (intentionally or otherwise) dozens of ways to avoid gate camps on top of the obvious ways that have existed since the 1st gate when up.

You can use a scout, which can be a real life friend, or your real life BEST friend (ie yourself, make an alt lol). You can fly ships that can warp cloaked (and despite the 'insta-locking myth', if you do it right you won't be caught) and related to that is the MWD/Cloak trick, these tactics let you ignore gate camps, even in null if you use nullified ships. Or you could bring enough people to scare the camp off.

Our you could use a jump bridge if someone in your group has a titan to bypass the area, or a covert bridge of your own in the right ship if you use a black ops and can get someone to light a cyno for you (or you can double/triple box and do it yourself). Or you can use wormholes to bypass EVERY gate in the game as long as you have a bit of patience in finding the right path.

Etc etc. Gate camps are nothing now and they were nothing when the game began. The people who complain about gate camps are "pathologically solo" types who believe that there should be no penalty in an mmo for choosing to go completely alone. If you don't like gate camps, do something about them, don't run to the forums suggesting that 'mommie' (CCP does something about them for you.


Oh, and for the record (since the natural reply to a post like mine tends to be "you must be one of them/you must benefit from the status quo), I don't gate camp, In 8 years I've maybe participated in a grand total of 3 intentional gate camps (ie gangs made for that specific purpose, I don't count camping a gate for a few minutes on a roam as a 'gate camp', even if I did it wouldn't increase the number of them I've been in by much).

Frankly, I think gate camping is boring and somewhat lame, if I want a fight I go find one. It's because I find them boring and lame that if I find one, I avoid it or occasionally form up some nerds bad assed hard core space mofos and go squash it, because some of us do while the rest of y'all talk and whine,

Gate camping is like mining, really. It requires a similar mind set.

Light a cyno with an reaper alt somewhere in system far from the gate. It's like a siren song.

you're flying through the wrong gates if you're running into gatecamps often. sometimes, yeah, you are **** out of luck, but nowhere near the point it's not worth going through low



in lowsec, hit ctrl+space when undocking, you're fine