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Do Zero-Tolerance for Botting Alliances Exist?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#101 - 2011-12-24 06:38:57 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

I like shoplifters. Everybody paying for things makes for long lines and I hate waiting in line.


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Hemmo Paskiainen
#102 - 2011-12-24 08:51:01 UTC
in -A- it is allowd to kill blue bots. policy is that you have to ask in local in russian and in english if he is a bot. need to give it some time and if he continues without reply, screenshot that he is still ratting after you have asked in local (timestamp needed). most bots auto logoff when getting in armour, screenshot that too for 100% solid case. this rule applies for anyone in -A- alliance or any blue bot that is botting outside their rented space

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#103 - 2011-12-24 08:53:47 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
in -A- it is allowd to kill blue bots. policy is that you have to ask in local in russian and in english if he is a bot. need to give it some time and if he continues without reply, screenshot that he is still ratting after you have asked in local (timestamp needed).

lol

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Prince Kobol
#104 - 2011-12-24 10:47:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
System in Fountain - Player Jumps in the last 24 hours - 21, Total NPC kills - 1479 - No Stations or No Outpost - System Rating 0.03

System in Fountain - Player Jumps in the last 24 hours - 19, Total NPC Kills - 1389 - No Stations or Outposts - System Rating -0.22

System in Delve - Player Jumps in the last 24 hours - 34, Total NPC Kills - 3257 - No Stations or Outposts - System Rating -0.90

System in Deklein - Player Jumps in the last 24 hours 19, Total NPC kills - 2049 - No Stations or Outposts - System Rating -0.28

Not saying that anybody is botting in these systems, however if you were CCP wouldn't you spend a couple of minutes investigating if you were serious about botting?

Not being a coder myself I have no idea how difficult it would be for CCP to set up a real time monitoring system to show NPC's kills per system and how many active players are present in that system.

This would surely help in detecting possible instances of where botting might be occurring.

For example if it shows players who are active in system for hours at a time and the NPC kill count has been steadily raising with no breaks then perhaps it would be worth investigating.

For me if CCP is serious about botting then surely they would have a set-up like this by now after all these years.
Disdaine
#105 - 2011-12-24 11:07:42 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
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Ssshh.

Don't want the pubbies looking those regions up on dotlan and jumping to conclusions.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#106 - 2011-12-24 12:28:23 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
For me if CCP is serious about botting then surely they would have a set-up like this by now after all these years.

Their logs show nothing...
Prince Kobol
#107 - 2011-12-24 12:51:44 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
For me if CCP is serious about botting then surely they would have a set-up like this by now after all these years.

Their logs show nothing...


Unless of course you are a 2 month old player instead of a 3 yr old bitter vet who is part of a large null sec alliances Blink
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2011-12-24 13:10:55 UTC
Podcorn wrote:
But that's why I view goons as botters, because even if one isn't, harboring them is just as bad.

I'm going to just assume that your idea of "harboring" is so vague that you might as well replace "goons" with "every alliance in eve".

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2011-12-24 13:19:54 UTC
Podcorn wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

we are "harboring botters"


No one needs direct evidence, it's the goon's policy to not report bots, to look the other way. You hide goon bots among your other carebears then you say "It's CCP's job to try and find them"

That is harboring bots.

I see now that you're either bad at reading, or good at ignoring facts. It's not reporting bots we're against, it's shooting bots, because it creates more drama than it's worth.

Podcorn wrote:
I understand that goons want to destroy the game, (do they not?) And yes, that's a good way to do that. Congradulations Shocked. But what I don't understand is why the CCP employees that are in the goons (... are they not?...) Don't say anything about this.

We want to destroy your game, not the game. The rest is just you being tinfoil-infested.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Prince Kobol
#110 - 2011-12-24 13:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Lord Zim wrote:


We want to destroy your game, not the game. The rest is just you being tinfoil-infested.


Like I have said before, its about perception.

Since you are part of one the Corps where people have the perception, rightly or wrongly and regardless what you or your corp mates say, is heavily involved in RMT and booting that CCP should be a lot more pro-active and open about botting and RMT in order to change the perception that exists.

When it comes to scamming, wanting to destroy other people's game etc etc that is all well and good as that is the spirit of Eve, but when it comes to Botting and RMT, two things which actually hurt the game for all involve, two things which are synonymous with people being forced to work for as little as $145 per month, groups using stolen bank and credit card information, hacking accounts etc, do you really want to be associated with that?

Putting to one side the Internet Persona that you the goons have created about yourselves, do you really want to be know as a group of people who endorse things such as prisoners in Chinese labour camps being forced to engage in gold farming for the benefit of prison authorities?
Generals4
#111 - 2011-12-24 13:54:19 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
in -A- it is allowd to kill blue bots. policy is that you have to ask in local in russian and in english if he is a bot. need to give it some time and if he continues without reply, screenshot that he is still ratting after you have asked in local (timestamp needed). most bots auto logoff when getting in armour, screenshot that too for 100% solid case. this rule applies for anyone in -A- alliance or any blue bot that is botting outside their rented space


What if he replies "Yes, i'm a bot" ?

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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#112 - 2011-12-24 13:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Cipher Jones wrote:

So why would you have an alliance member who reports all your ratters in the first place? Sounds like a mole to me.

Two words: fair play

Back the days when I learned to play old style games like Chess, I learned to respect the rules of this games. And I learned, that breacking this rules is bad. I started to RESPECT this rules. It would be no problem, to move 4 fields with the King. But it's against the rules and the result would be, that noone will play with yo anymore.

Just becouse something is posible does NOT mean I have to do it!

If the rules say "do not do this" I do respect this rules even if I'm able to bypass them!

And I expect this behavior from other people who play games too!

That's why I prefare one person who report rule breaking actions over 1000 who break the rules.

CCP just fails terrible at getting right of all the rule breakers! Evil

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!