Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you want to war then leave hi-sec, go to null because the null bears there say they are bored, and wait for the blob to come.

Then pay rent and post how leet you are for doing pve in null and paying rent.

That wouldn't work, you could just drop everyone from corp or make a new corp and wardec who you wanted and then bring everyone in. The initial cost of a wardec should be increased to something that deters people from just wardecing anyone. If you want to wardec a small noob indy/pve corp it should cost you a huge amount of isk to make sure its worth doing. There are to many corps/alliances out there that use wardecs as a tool to grief other people.





Coming from a alliance that doesn't pvp that's funny. PvP to you is killing a week old miner who cant fight back.

Where is this said? I play for the pve content that clearly exists in EVE and you're saying it's pvp? Now that's funny.

The FAQ for the game, for a long while.




If you are effecting the market, you are engaging in PvP. It's only fair that people be able to do something about that.

And you seriously play this game for the PvE? It is, beyond any doubt, the worst in the MMO industry. Freaking Star Trek's PvE is more fun, and that game is quite literally pathetic.




Wrong. Unless you're living off of the ammo drops from the rats you kill, everything you do is PvP to some extent. This is a PvP game at it's core, and PvP belongs everywhere, whether people like you like or not.

The wardec mechanic does not need more power.
It is already a super powerful mechanic. As long as there is a reason for defenders to care. In fact once there is a reason to care Wardecs are almost too powerful, any more power and it will be a serious griefing tool against anyone with a reason to defend stuff. And certain groups will abuse it in that way if you give them the power.

Reasons to care about undocking are what is needed. Of course, since Null people dock up at a single neutral in local most of the time, I find it funny how they abuse high sec players who have to put up with knowing one of those hundred people in local will be a spy for the wardec corp/alliance to hunt their targets with. But yea, reasons to care about undocking, in Null as well.

this is just dumb

but the OPs ideas aren't any better thought out


the solution to corp hopping simply encourages people not to log in any more



and the problem with the attacker retracting the war is not much of an issue having to wait 24hrs to swap from defender to attacker isn't that much



the problem with war decs is not just with wardecs but how high sec works in general odds are one group has absolutely no risk in the fight (normally the attacker) while the ones that have something to lose have very little to gain by not just dropping corp


this issue is also one of the problems with getting people out of NPC corps or one man corps as again for many the only thing being in a corp does is add risk with no reward

The New Pilot FAQ is here: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/EVE-Online-New-Pilot-FAQ.pdf

Pay particular attention to section 5 (5.2-5.3) and section 7 which starts:




Well PVP means player vs. player. Practically everything you do in the sandbox is against other players: you only make a profit at industry because your operation is more efficient or you sell your PvE drops because you undercut someone else on the market and so on. In fact, the very name of the game comes from Everyone vs. Everyone and the core concept is a single universe where all the player battle each other for power and resources.

Eve is a PvP game. The industrial portion of the game is meaningless unless players are exploding things. However industry is also essential as without it we would all be shooting each other in only rookie ships. The two are intertwined which is why there needs to be away for direct PvP action to influence industrial actions just as industry influences ship PvP. Wardecs in some form are essential for this; players cannot be allowed to pursue industrial activities insulated from the sandbox or the whole thing comes tumbling down.

There are ways to play Eve without ever engaging in ship-to-ship combat with another player - making friends to provide your protection is the most obvious but there are others. However, there cannot, and should not be a way to play where you can opt-out of the possibility of ship combat being forced on you. If you do that, it ain't a sandbox anymore.

This is the kind of player I'd hope to target with a change to corps assets and wardecs. Expanding the usefulness of assets in space for players that are willing to engage in hostilities for a measurable advantage to their operations. Make it productive to fight. I'll break down my views on two structures to give you an idea of what I mean.

Highsec starbases are hit and miss. The fuel costs make it difficult to churn out a profit unless you're manufacturing in niche T2 markets. The removal of station slots further compounded the lack of use for a POS. If they removed "system index" charges from starbases and reduced fuel costs they might be better conflict drivers. In the end though a starbase only reduces your potential costs when compared to doing that same activity in a station. There isn't much reason to defend one when you can always tear it down for the wardec and continue in a station.

POCOs conversely are in a good place right now. Owning your own POCO in highsec is the only way to make ISK through planetary reactions (shipping commodities down to planets, creating higher tier commodities, shipping them back to the market). If you do not own the POCO, the tax rates generally make it impossible to churn out a profit. There is a measurable gain in owning and defending a POCO.

The important difference between the two is that POCOs allow you to do something you cannot profitably do without it (planetary reactions). That's a good place to start with new assets for corporations. An asset should not only reduce costs in a way that can be negated by rolling more alts. It should also provide benefits that cannot be obtained without it.

This.



Aaaaand THIS.


It's not a popular fact though, a lot of people seem to think the defenders should just undock and be shot like fowl on a hunt and if they don't then eve is better without them.


Until the attackers have a stake in the game, the ONLY intelligent play....is not to play.

Yeah there are a couple of ways to "not play" that game. But the point remains the same as you said :)