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T3 Destroyers and T3 Cruisers, Looking for Info.

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Ultra Yeti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-03-27 03:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ultra Yeti
Hello All,

First off I will state that if I came to the wrong sub-section of the forums, please move me to the right one. I came here on the basis that I need more help understand what skills are going to be best for my purpose with the ships over what to fit the ships with, so hopefully I did pick right.

On to the topic.
*EDIT - http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ultra_Yeti Skill Sheet - EDIT*

I am looking at a goal of piloting all available, and future available, T3 Destroyers and Cruisers. Currently I can pilot the Amarr T3 Destroyer and the Caldari T3 Cruiser (The Confessor and The Tengu, if you can't remember off-hand), and neither are skilled where I can fly them decently from what I have come to understand based on PvP and PvE situations. So I figured I am either piloting the ship wrong, or I just have horrible skill for such cases, or a combination of both. So upon thinking about that, I decided it would probably be best to reach out and ask other pilots what they do differently and what skills they have compared to what I have.

Now I will warn beforehand that I was a miner for a very long time, so my PvP skills are about nonexistent as I was almost always in a fleet for low/null sec and when in high-sec I usually dealt in a fleet for easier transport of goods, and if not in a fleet I stayed in high-sec normally to avoid loss.

So any and all advice that other pilots are willing to share, I would forever be greatful for (maybe even so that if I ever get insanely good I don't attack you :D...hahaha I doubt I'll ever reach that level <.<),

-Ultra Yeti
Nicola Romanoff
Tannhauser C-Beam
Lux Collective
#2 - 2015-03-27 08:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicola Romanoff
I have skills for t3 cruisers but I don’t really fly them to be honest. However I would say the skills level to pilot any ship is really down to how it is fit. The subsystems should be at least at IV, although I don’t think it takes too long to get to V. Remember though you will lose one level of a random sub skill if you are destroyed (I believe that can be avoided if you eject although not 100% on that)

If you are having trouble fitting the items you want or your capo is lacking then skills to increase PG and CPU and/or skills to lower the PG/CPU requirements of the items you fit.

Maximum your offensive skills, so for example if you are using missles or railguns on the Tengu then put skills into those weapon systems at least to Level IV on the specialization area of that weapon system.

If your tank is lacking then skill up the relevant skills to buff your tank. I would say if you sitting in skills that only just allow you to sit in the hull then perhaps you should fly something else until those skills are trained to an improved level.
Ultra Yeti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-03-27 18:04:55 UTC
Nicola Romanoff wrote:
I have skills for t3 cruisers but I don’t really fly them to be honest. However I would say the skills level to pilot any ship is really down to how it is fit. The subsystems should be at least at IV, although I don’t think it takes too long to get to V. Remember though you will lose one level of a random sub skill if you are destroyed (I believe that can be avoided if you eject although not 100% on that)

If you are having trouble fitting the items you want or your capo is lacking then skills to increase PG and CPU and/or skills to lower the PG/CPU requirements of the items you fit.

Maximum your offensive skills, so for example if you are using missles or railguns on the Tengu then put skills into those weapon systems at least to Level IV on the specialization area of that weapon system.

If your tank is lacking then skill up the relevant skills to buff your tank. I would say if you sitting in skills that only just allow you to sit in the hull then perhaps you should fly something else until those skills are trained to an improved level.


Thank you very much for your input ^.^!

Currently with the tengu I can use any subsystems as I have each sub-skill trained at lvl 1 to 3 (not sure if I have anything higher then 3 for there), so I will definitely look towards upgrading them all to at least IV or V. Currently for PG I have the skill to max out the amount I can get at V, and I believe my CPU skill is also at V (I think I have all PG and CPU related skills at V, but I could be wrong on this).

If I knew how to provide a link to all of the skills I have currently I would definitely do that, but the only way I know is creating an API key, and no other method. If anybody does know how to do that I would love to edit it into the first post so others who read it can see where my skills are at and help even more with better information :)!



But to be specific to the post I quoted, currently I believe I have all PG And CPU skills at V, but I know that my subsystem skills, my shield/armor tank skills, and weapon skills are very subpar so I will definitely look into skilling these up so that I can have a higher DPS and higher tank for my ships. Also I am not sure of that eject piece either, but I keep hearing many people say it's true. I haven't ever tried to eject from a t3 cruiser before it explodes, so i don't personally know :(.

But again, thank you for your reply. I still look forward to any other replies other pilots have to offer ^.^
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-27 19:44:36 UTC
Find a purpose and then find a ship, not the other way around.

Ejecting from the ship does not save you from the loss of SP

t3 destroyers have no penalty when blown up.
Ultra Yeti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-03-28 01:36:39 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Find a purpose and then find a ship, not the other way around.

Ejecting from the ship does not save you from the loss of SP

t3 destroyers have no penalty when blown up.



Well I do have a purpose, which is that of PvE and PvP. Currently I am in the confessor, and also able to use a tengu. The part here I came is that I don't know what all to skill towards to better myself for the T3 ships, or in other words: I don't know what skills I should train.
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#6 - 2015-03-28 14:29:42 UTC
You say that you have no pvp skills. (me too) therefore you shouldn't really be even thinking about t3 cruisers- use cheaper, disposable ships to improve your pvp ability- you shouldn't be learning how to pvp in a tengu. The usual advice for learning pvp is in cheap frigs and destroyers, however, also look at the t3 ships and find equivalent t1 cruisers that are similar- for example tengu and caracal are both shield and missile fits and then practice with the t1. Any skills that you are getting for the caracal will also be applicable to the tengu later when you are more competent.

best way for showing your skills is eveboard. put your api details on there and then we can see your skills
Ultra Yeti
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-03-29 03:09:03 UTC
Tam Arai wrote:
You say that you have no pvp skills. (me too) therefore you shouldn't really be even thinking about t3 cruisers- use cheaper, disposable ships to improve your pvp ability- you shouldn't be learning how to pvp in a tengu. The usual advice for learning pvp is in cheap frigs and destroyers, however, also look at the t3 ships and find equivalent t1 cruisers that are similar- for example tengu and caracal are both shield and missile fits and then practice with the t1. Any skills that you are getting for the caracal will also be applicable to the tengu later when you are more competent.

best way for showing your skills is eveboard. put your api details on there and then we can see your skills


Ah, thank you very much for showing me that link to eveboard. I did not know their site existed, so glad to see it :). I'll edit in the link to them in the main post so that others who read can see the link and look at the skills :3.

As for this post, currently my skills look like this: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ultra_Yeti So far my skills, as it shows, are kinda all over the place. Majority have been PvE related, and recently they have been shifted over to PvP. So mainly trying to see what else I should train in the skill list so that I can improve the ships I do fly (from frigates, as you suggested, up to super caps (if I ever get there xD)).
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#8 - 2015-04-04 15:41:56 UTC
Ultra Yeti wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Find a purpose and then find a ship, not the other way around.

Ejecting from the ship does not save you from the loss of SP

t3 destroyers have no penalty when blown up.



Well I do have a purpose, which is that of PvE and PvP. Currently I am in the confessor, and also able to use a tengu. The part here I came is that I don't know what all to skill towards to better myself for the T3 ships, or in other words: I don't know what skills I should train.



The thing is that those goals are far too general to be any guidance about skills or ships. What kind of PvE? Missions, explorations, incursions? Those all take different (with some overlap) skills, and fairly different ships.

PvP? Same deal. Solo? Small gang? Gank? Pirate?

Tam is right. Don't learn these things--any of them--in a t3.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-04-20 11:28:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
I know Tengu pve .. so i'll highlight skillsets your missing for that
the rest can be extrapolated ... it should follow a similar pattern
(If you aren't going to use a Railgu you don't need the gunnery skills at all)

Train Core skills to 5 before Primary skills
Train Primary skills to 5 before Secondary skills
Secondary skills can be left at Level 4, and 5 trained when you determine the need.

Core Fitting skills
Capacitor Management
Energy Grid Upgrades
Weapon Upgrades
Advanced Weapon Upgrades
Caldari Defensive Systems
Caldari Electronic Systems
Caldari Engineering Systems
Caldari Offensive Systems
Caldari Propulsion Systems
Shield Compensation
Shield Management
Shield Upgrades

Primary Skills
Guided Missile Precision
Rapid Launch
Target Navigation Prediction
Warhead Upgrades
Surgical Strike
Rapid Firing
Long Range Targeting
Signature Analysis
Acceleration Control
Fuel Conservation
Warp Drive Operation

Secondary Skills
Target Painting
Propulsion Jamming
EM Shield Compensation
Thermic Shield Compensation
Explosive Shield Compensation
Kinetic Shield Compensation
Gravimetric Sensor Compensation
Caldari Strategic Cruiser
Missile Bombardment
Missile Projection
Heavy Missile Specialisation
Heavy Assault Missile Specialisation
Sharpshooter
Medium Railgun Specialisation
Medium Blaster Specialisation
Trajectory Analysis
Controlled Bursts
Launcher Rigging
Shield Rigging
Signature Focusing
Long Distance Jamming
Frequency Modulation
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-04-20 11:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
oops