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L4 Mach fit for blitz?
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uu Parmala
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-03-26 02:53:14 UTC
Hi,

I'm running missions in gallente space and I want to try a mach (been using a tengu)

I tried a very simply fit t2:

x7 800mm autos
x1 tractor beam

x1 LSE
x1 100mn mwd
x1 tracking computer
x1 shield hardner
x1 XL ASB
x1 sebo

x gyro
x gyro
x gyro
x gyro
x TE
x TE
x nano

warp speed rig + extender rigs




I realize this isnt optimal fit, I am new to macherial so I wanted some input for best blitzing fit. I have read many threads about machs being good for blitzing but I haven't seen any fitting links so I was wondering if anyone had a good one. English not first language, sorry for mistake typo.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#2 - 2015-03-26 03:48:30 UTC
Though the "Big Mack" is not my thing, I'd start by dropping the LSE. That is not going to help in an active fit, even less in a burst tank on a Machariel. Replace it with another hardener or, if you're sure the one hardener and ASB are good enough, another TC would suffice. Hell, even a large cap battery would be better in that it would help you running the MWD for longer periods of time should you need it.

In fact, drop both LSE and shield rig for another hardener and a gun rig (which ever one ups the falloff for projectiles). Your tank will actually be better and you get some added projection for the 800's.

Also, just to say it even though I'm sure you know this much, when you have the cash for them, swap some of the gyro's for faction ones if you wish. I know you specified that this is meant to be T2, but the gyros are your best bet for an exception.

Otherwise, fit looks good. As long as you take care in ops against Blood Raiders/Sansha, you should be fine so long as this isn't your first time running L4's in a Macharial. If it is, you may want to consider running some missions in an insured 'Pest to get your feet wet first.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
uu Parmala
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-03-26 04:33:50 UTC
Thanks.

Any recommended fit does not need to be t2, I just happened to start with a t2 fit.

Thanks for your suggestions Tali, I was thinking of trying a faction/deadspace shieldbooster but was unsure which one would be best cap/boost amount use.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#4 - 2015-03-26 05:05:10 UTC
Gist types are the most efficient while pith types rep the most.

However, I would stick to T2 until you get the hang of it and then add bling. Just take it careful first and get the hang of PvE projectiles.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2015-03-26 05:11:55 UTC
I'm not 100% sure on optimal, the effort required of playtesting and spreadsheeting just isn't worth the payoff to me. but.... With some guessing off this chart http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png not correcting for accel/decel as I have no bloody clue as to how that works.

My fits traditionally had a Large Projectile Burst Aerator II for one of the rigs as that is a decent DPS upgrade, but with the warp speed changes and ascendancy implants, I would guess that fitting for warp speed is preferable in many cases. I also assume ascendancy implants aren't something most people buy. With max warp speed and implants it looks like you are saving ~15s over no warp rigs/implants, on an average warp of ~20 AU. Without ascendancys it looks like a ~10s difference on that same warp. The difference between 3x warp speed IIs and no warp speed rigs looks to be ~13s.

so that vs a ~6% dps increase.

pure blitz (as in decline anything non-favorable) probably the warp speed is better, but if you are running nearly every mission as they come then the DPS is probably a bit better.

My basic Mach template, looks like you can swap to warp speed without too many issues. generally just seems like swapping from xl to large on the booster.
[Machariel, Mwd 800s]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Auto Targeting System I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
[empty rig slot]

Warrior II x5
Gecko x2


with arty
[Machariel, MWD 1400s copy 1]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Reactor Control Unit II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Auto Targeting System I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
[empty rig slot]

Warrior II x5

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#6 - 2015-03-26 05:20:00 UTC
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Gist types are the most efficient while pith types rep the most.

However, I would stick to T2 until you get the hang of it and then add bling. Just take it careful first and get the hang of PvE projectiles.


T2 shield boosters are CPU hogs. and Pith xl boosters are pretty cheap. C type is 30m in jita as I type this.

also I wouldn't fit a falloff rig, even a T2 falloff rig only does the same as a tracking enhancer, and with most fits the stacking penalty will be pretty high on that, where a TE will also add some tracking.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
uu Parmala
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-03-26 06:02:09 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I'm not 100% sure on optimal, the effort required of playtesting and spreadsheeting just isn't worth the payoff to me. but.... With some guessing off this chart http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65418/1/numbers_table.png not correcting for accel/decel as I have no bloody clue as to how that works.

My fits traditionally had a Large Projectile Burst Aerator II for one of the rigs as that is a decent DPS upgrade, but with the warp speed changes and ascendancy implants, I would guess that fitting for warp speed is preferable in many cases. I also assume ascendancy implants aren't something most people buy. With max warp speed and implants it looks like you are saving ~15s over no warp rigs/implants, on an average warp of ~20 AU. Without ascendancys it looks like a ~10s difference on that same warp. The difference between 3x warp speed IIs and no warp speed rigs looks to be ~13s.

so that vs a ~6% dps increase.

pure blitz (as in decline anything non-favorable) probably the warp speed is better, but if you are running nearly every mission as they come then the DPS is probably a bit better.

My basic Mach template, looks like you can swap to warp speed without too many issues. generally just seems like swapping from xl to large on the booster.
[Machariel, Mwd 800s]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Auto Targeting System I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
[empty rig slot]

Warrior II x5
Gecko x2


with arty
[Machariel, MWD 1400s copy 1]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Reactor Control Unit II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Auto Targeting System I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
[empty rig slot]

Warrior II x5




Thanks a lot for your detailed post, you gave me something good to use :)
Garmyne Atavuli
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-03-26 11:54:08 UTC
If you look from space the Earth has become concaved with a large sink hole in the middle.
This was caused by the sheer weight AND volume of Lv4 Mach fits located both here and at a certain recently updated (and not for the better I might add....YUK) ship fitting site.
stoicfaux
#9 - 2015-03-26 12:31:27 UTC
Chainsaw has the right idea with the MWD Mach. Back in the day I used this to blitz level 4s: http://eve.battleclinic.com/view_loadout.php?id=58393 It's a bit too pricey for my taste to use anymore, but it falls in line with what Chainsaw was saying.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2015-03-28 12:48:57 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Chainsaw has the right idea with the MWD Mach. Back in the day I used this to blitz level 4s: http://eve.battleclinic.com/view_loadout.php?id=58393 It's a bit too pricey for my taste to use anymore, but it falls in line with what Chainsaw was saying.

The best Machariel fit is a Rattlesnake.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
stoicfaux
#11 - 2015-03-28 13:38:10 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Chainsaw has the right idea with the MWD Mach. Back in the day I used this to blitz level 4s: http://eve.battleclinic.com/view_loadout.php?id=58393 It's a bit too pricey for my taste to use anymore, but it falls in line with what Chainsaw was saying.

The best Machariel fit is a Rattlesnake.

Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake?



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Nycha
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-03-28 14:11:29 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Chainsaw has the right idea with the MWD Mach. Back in the day I used this to blitz level 4s: http://eve.battleclinic.com/view_loadout.php?id=58393 It's a bit too pricey for my taste to use anymore, but it falls in line with what Chainsaw was saying.

The best Machariel fit is a Rattlesnake.

Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake?




You blitz slowly. Lol
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2015-03-29 04:06:47 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake?

Drones.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2015-03-29 04:54:14 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Silly rabbit, we're talking about blitzing, e.g. how do you blitz scarlett in a rattlesnake?

Drones.


that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic"

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2015-03-29 05:56:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic"

Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
stoicfaux
#16 - 2015-03-29 12:33:00 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic"

Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time.

Scarlet EHP versus:
em: 5,786
expl: 9,000
kin: 7,500
them: 6,500

Sidewinder Garde II Alpha: 2,810


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-03-29 14:26:22 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic"

Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time.

Scarlet EHP versus:
em: 5,786
expl: 9,000
kin: 7,500
them: 6,500

Sidewinder Garde II Alpha: 2,810




I got this! http://www.quickmeme.com/img/36/36456ab87e8e451857a4cf69367b01e68036846903f016a1ff96c3f10bbfb126.jpg

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#18 - 2015-03-29 19:41:47 UTC
I used to use a mach with 800ac's, 100mn ab(cap stable with this0 x-large sb, invuln and a mission specific hardner, lows were 4 x gyro and 3 x TE's.
Mach doesn't do great kinetic damage though so found a rail vindi worked better.
Drone boats are sub optimal for blitzing imo

... What next ??
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#19 - 2015-03-29 20:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
GordonO wrote:
Drone boats are sub optimal for blitzing imo

To some extent. But the Rattlesnake is a hybrid, and with the actual applied DPS approaching the 1600-range it's quite effective at taking targets out in short order. But yes, it's next to impossible to headshot Scarlett with a Rattlesnake on her first appearance.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
whiskeybreath
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-03-30 09:38:11 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
that's about the same as answering "how does Santa do it" with "magic"

Sentry Drones. I personally like killing Scarlett twice, since it's a 5m ISK bounty each time.

Scarlet EHP versus:
em: 5,786
expl: 9,000
kin: 7,500
them: 6,500

Sidewinder Garde II Alpha: 2,810






I alpha scarlet with tachon lasers..easy peasey
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