Player Features and Ideas Discussion

On a side note, that survey is from three years ago.

Also rather deceptive in it's options.

I'm a base line grunt for a nullsec coalition, and yet I still would say I "usually play solo, but sometimes play as part of a group"

After all, I don't spend the majority of my time in EVE actively in fleets with others.


P.S: If you go search around, there were some numbers released at fanfest that would support various facets of peoples arguments regarding new player retention and PvP involvement.

And they wouldn't be three years out of date.

Well, we could ask them, but they've all quit. I'm not against ganking. I'm against ganking noobs. I'm against ganking covetors. It's not the act of ganking that is bad, it's all the low skill no tallent garbage running around in cats wonking on noobs.

If you bring down a 3 bil isk marauder in a mission hub - I'll be the first to high five you. Roast a guy in a freighter - big deal - if he's in game long enough to pilot a capital ship, he knows the deal.

Use a throw away alt in a dessie to club baby seals - you're a no tallent tool that had better not claim what you are doing is pvp or teaching the new players a valuable lesson. It's utter garbage to claim either.

Don't lump me in w/ the anti-ganking crowd. I just detest pvp posers and SENSELESS NO-TALENT ganking.

I hope we're clear now. I'm just calling crap game play.... well crap game play.

Your recent information doesn't prove anything. It's a collection of statistics that can be interpreted to suit your needs.

You or CCPs interpretation is also just what you feel the selected set of statistics represent.

When you can show me the actual exit comments, then what we will be dealing with is facts. Glad we cleared that up. Now go spin a few graphs however you like.

I'll stand by my opinion - no tallent sensless ganking is bad for the game. Well planned strategic or monetarily driven ganks are just fine. If you can't see the difference between the two cases and feel a need to hang your hat on 'all ganking is good for eve' and promotes players staying in the game, well you're entitled to your opinion.

I think we're at the point in earth history where if one poses a plausible possibility, many folks feel inclined to give in to what ever random notion that plausible possibility supports. I'm not one of those many folks. I don't care how many times you say ganking noobs is good for the game, what statistics you wrap it up in or any of that. No one likes losing in a game. No one likes losing w/out warning and very little understanding of what happened. New players just don't type in local how awesome it was to just have their stuff blown up in mere seconds for no apparent reason. THAT crap isn't good for any game.

Ganking is a part of eve. It goes to its very core and very spirit. Not only do I get that, but I'm also very good at suicide ganking. Just don't do it to noobs and then tell me it's good for the game. That would be a load of garbage.

TL/DR There's 2 kinds of ganking. One encompasses the very soul of our game (the good kind) and the other is clubbing baby seals (the bad kind).

Edit: we're off topic, i'm right and you're wrong. let's leave it at that and get back to how you experts can come up with a way to force eve players to play the way you want them to. KK thanks.

Oooh, the rare, valid point from you. Yes, the lack of highsec ganking is a huge problem with regard to retaining players.

I see what you did there.

That's not an opinion, you're just wrong. You can have as much commitment to being wrong as you want, but it doesn't change the truth.




Except for, oops! The part where it is good for the game, and what you want is actively bad for the game.

To me:
newbie = absolute new player
n00b = wilfully ignorant (e.g. constant fail fits many years into the game)

I don't think the problem is that gankers are killing newbies left, right and centre. That takes too much effort.
I think when it comes to ganking, the problem is that the newbie has everything or too much invested in the battleship or freighter, when they lose on their maiden voyage.

I have also put forward ways to make a corporation worth staying in when you are in High Sec and suggested ways for corps and alliances to get help with improved mechanics.

This is not a "be all and end all" suggestion.

P.S. The stats that the gankers are clinging to like gollum with his preciiiiouuuussss are blatently flawed.

Far, far, far more likely situation.

Red flies through highsec, gets killed because he's bad.

Red goes to his corp and says "Guys this random guy killed me when I was flying though highsec while -8, lets wardec them"

Red's corp goes "Why the **** would we do that, and why were you flying around in highsec in something slow you absolute blathering fuckwit?"

See the thing is Arthur, is that PvP groups don't actually look at losing a ship due to their own mistake as a reason for a massive vendetta.

Maybe in a few isolated incidents, but typically it's just an opportunity to laugh at the person who was bad enough to lose a ship to a random highseccer on a gate.

There's nothing there to suggest the pod kill was the reason for the wardec. Maybe you did something else to someone else.

Out of interest, what was the final score from the war in question?