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So who will be moving to THERA? (Jita without Concord)

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Malcaz
Omni Paradox Securities
#341 - 2015-03-27 09:04:39 UTC
I love how this thread about Thera evolved into a discussion about Ayn Rand and capitalism.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#342 - 2015-03-27 09:10:23 UTC
I'm shocked people are even wondering why Thera isn't the blossoming market they thought it was meant to be. I'm also amaze danyone even tried to make it work.

Trade needs stability and (relative) safety. Shooting ships in a barrel with random hidden connections was never going to make a Jita. Ever. Roll

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#343 - 2015-03-27 09:12:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:


Of course people make excuses. But their options are also defined by many factors outside their control including genetics, geography, parentage, and environment. You can label any statement as an excuse in order to avoiding acknowledging that it is true.


Those things are not barriers for anyone save someone who surrenders to them.


true, but it can make the effort required vastly different from a particular starting point to finish.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#344 - 2015-03-27 09:17:54 UTC
Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Malcaz
Omni Paradox Securities
#345 - 2015-03-27 09:26:21 UTC
Maybe something can be done to make Thera safer for economic activity that doesn't make it into a highsec system. For example, if you initiate combat in Thera, the stations won't let you dock for a week. It still allows attacks, but because there are also no POSes, the logistics of pvp becomes harder, and it is harder to base yourself in a way that you can make a career out of pvp in Thera.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#346 - 2015-03-27 09:56:54 UTC
There's something wrong with the market in Thera?

Oh, and freighters can use the lowsec holes now.
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#347 - 2015-03-27 10:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Sequester Risalo
Thera does not need any changes. It is what mentally unchallanged persons expected it to be from the outset.

To be fair to CCP they never claimed that it would be a major tradehub. The unfortunate Jita comparison was not referring to the market but to the traffic. I quote from the Devblog:

"We expect that Thera will appeal most strongly to players who find the concept of living at the center of an ever-shifting set of wormhole connections appealing. Residents of Thera will know that each day they will have a different menu of neighbors and access to different areas of known space.

We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE over sustained periods, and have plans in place to ensure that it receives appropriate hardware support."

Someone with better data mining skills might tell you if this has happened. In the beginning it was all the rage. But I guess the traffic has died down now.

Just by reading the devblog I knew that it would not be the place for me. Apparantly others first had to venture there to come to the same conclusion.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#348 - 2015-03-27 10:17:08 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Thera does not need any changes. It is what mentally unchallanges persons expected it to be from the outset.

To be fair to CCP they never claimed that it would be a major tradehub. The unfortunate Jita comparison was not referring to the market but to the traffic. I quote from the Devblog:

"We expect that Thera will appeal most strongly to players who find the concept of living at the center of an ever-shifting set of wormhole connections appealing. Residents of Thera will know that each day they will have a different menu of neighbors and access to different areas of known space.

We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE over sustained periods, and have plans in place to ensure that it receives appropriate hardware support."

Someone with beter data mining skills might tell you if this has happened. In the beginning it was all the rage. But I guess the traffic has died down now.

Just by reading the devblog I knew that it would not be the place for me. Apparantly others first had to venture there to come to the same conclusion.


thing is ... Trade = Traffic. And if they're talking about resident traffic (rather than choke point 'passing' traffic) then by imferrence they're talking about trade causing that traffic, as nothing else is EVE will maintain a constant level of mixed traffic.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#349 - 2015-03-27 10:18:30 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too.


Which ones? The ones that last two minutes or the ones made by the ships that make attractive targets? Both are very easy to work around.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#350 - 2015-03-27 10:36:27 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too.


Which ones? The ones that last two minutes or the ones made by the ships that make attractive targets? Both are very easy to work around.

All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#351 - 2015-03-27 10:38:58 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
There's something wrong with the market in Thera?

Oh, and freighters can use the lowsec holes now.

Yeah, the market is rubbish.

I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#352 - 2015-03-27 12:07:42 UTC
Zappity wrote:
All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?


What little risk is in the system would be greatly reduced without them. Besides, it is still a wormhole. It needs SOME bubbles Big smile (although not allowing anchorable bubbles is nice, I must admit)

Zappity wrote:
Yeah, the market is rubbish.

I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.


I've found the market to be slow, but haven't had any problems buying or selling. Constantly being close to different trade hubs keeps the market interesting. The lowsec holes allowing freighters is new with Scylla. I could agree with expanding it to highsec holes as well. Fingers crossed. I'll stick to my Prowler though.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#353 - 2015-03-27 17:00:55 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Zappity wrote:
All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?


What little risk is in the system would be greatly reduced without them. Besides, it is still a wormhole. It needs SOME bubbles Big smile (although not allowing anchorable bubbles is nice, I must admit)

Zappity wrote:
Yeah, the market is rubbish.

I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.


I've found the market to be slow, but haven't had any problems buying or selling. Constantly being close to different trade hubs keeps the market interesting. The lowsec holes allowing freighters is new with Scylla. I could agree with expanding it to highsec holes as well. Fingers crossed. I'll stick to my Prowler though.


case rested ...Lol

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#354 - 2015-03-27 20:02:40 UTC
Leannor wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Zappity wrote:
All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?


What little risk is in the system would be greatly reduced without them. Besides, it is still a wormhole. It needs SOME bubbles Big smile (although not allowing anchorable bubbles is nice, I must admit)

Zappity wrote:
Yeah, the market is rubbish.

I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.


I've found the market to be slow, but haven't had any problems buying or selling. Constantly being close to different trade hubs keeps the market interesting. The lowsec holes allowing freighters is new with Scylla. I could agree with expanding it to highsec holes as well. Fingers crossed. I'll stick to my Prowler though.


case rested ...Lol


"Slow" as in "it takes 3 weeks to sell a dozen T2 modules"...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#355 - 2015-03-27 21:14:08 UTC
Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell.
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#356 - 2015-03-27 21:31:03 UTC
I buy as much in Thera as I did in Kamela... (not much) But I still probably spend more time in Thera than _any_ other system out there. There are more groups in Thera living than most other 0.0 systems... I suspect it has around 40-60 people at any time who are based there, weather they are in the system itself is not really relevant to the uses of the system.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#357 - 2015-03-27 21:32:01 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell.

'high trade volume' and 'takes ages to sell' are pretty much mutually exclusive. Do you mean you have a lot of items up for sale?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#358 - 2015-03-27 21:51:16 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell.

'high trade volume' and 'takes ages to sell' are pretty much mutually exclusive. Do you mean you have a lot of items up for sale?


My mistake. Small number of things for sale.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#359 - 2015-03-27 22:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
Thera was ill-conceived unless it's only purpose was to give "leet" pvpers more opportunity, or "GUD FIGHTS" aka kills on unsuspecting noob carebears in Retrievers and Ventures in C2 WHs.

In that case, well done *clap clap clap*, well done indeed...

Protip, if ur so leet and need "GUD FIGHTS" take a little swim into lowsec... or are you scared? Twisted
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#360 - 2015-03-27 22:53:02 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Thera was ill-conceived unless it's only purpose was to give "leet" pvpers more opportunity, or "GUD FIGHTS" aka kills on unsuspecting noob carebears in Retrievers and Ventures in C2 WHs.

In that case, well done *clap clap clap*, well done indeed...

Protip, if ur so leet and need "GUD FIGHTS" take a little swim into lowsec... or are you scared? Twisted


From what I understand, the pvp'ers like the lowsec holes for small gang roams. Fights in the nullsec holes are usually larger affairs, and kills in the wormholes are quick strikes against pve targets with larger fights being extremely rare. And as an explorer, the lowsec holes are where I prefer to roam as I feel more comfortable there than nullsec (I feel most comfortable in other wormholes, of course).

I'm just one little space pacifist though Blink