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ICE Mining ruined by spawn changes, multiboxers and farmers?

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Korwin Abre-Kai
lichfield exploration and salvage
#101 - 2015-03-27 20:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Korwin Abre-Kai
Soldarius wrote:
Korwin Abre-Kai wrote:
Aphsala wrote:
mining does need changed, an changed in such a way that anyone who afk's does not profit


the fact is I prefer to be up against an AFK 10 boxer any day of the week as opposed to an ATK fleet running fully optimized cycles the former is harvesting far less ice than the latter period end of story.

quite frankly I just don't get the obsession some EVE players have with what other players may or may not be doing on their side of the client. if some one is AFK it can have NO negative effect on YOUR game play PERIOD in fact as I pointed out it is a boon as an AFK player cannot by definition react to what is going on in the game. I actually find it more than a little bit creepy that some EVE players seem to have this obsessive need to control the behavior of other people in the game , making moral judgments and ethical arguments because some one is using the freaking auto pilot mechanics(WTF?)or because a mining laser can auto cycle. I mean seriously??


how about this as a change to mining. make it totally passive just like PI and moon mining. maybe then we will see these and other tear threads on this subject vanish like a fart in the breeze god knows I have had my fill of the stench from them.

the truly sad part of this thread is that if the OP had asked one of the fleet operators he chose to antagonize for boost and joined in the fleet he would have been making as much off his account as the fleet commander was making off any one of his and also could have followed that fleet from belt to belt making far more as part of a fleet than he ever possibly could have on his own in that same amount of time even if he would have had that first belt all to his lonesome.(I know shocking idea actually teaming up with others in a multi player game but hay "other peoples kids" what can you say?)


1)Holy crap. How can you possibly be that naive? Anyone that opens their fleet to a completely random person in this game is a fool and will eventually get their entire fleet destroyed.

2)The OP was complaining about an obvious multi-boxer using obviously banned means. And he is right. AFK resource gathering is a pox on the game. It is part of why, when CCP decided to change ice fields from static belts to anoms, so many of us said, "How is that any different than current mechanics? You're just making high-sec mining of high ends easier." and suggested making ice belts Cosmic Signatures. Instead CCP changed all grav sites to anoms on top of the ice belt changes.

3)Guess what happened? High end minerals, which are found more prevalently in those sites than in belts, are crashing. Zydrine is now worth less than Nocxium. According to Eve-Markets it is at a historical low. Literally never been this low.

4)If the OP thinks the characters he saw are multiplexing, then he should report them as such. There are pretty easy ways to tell if they are. One of them is to apply to their corp and find out for sure. Chat them up. Some botters are really dumb and most are extremely lazy (hence why they bot) and will readily admit it or point the player to whatever software he is using.




1) on my mining alts I have never once been refused a boost request if the fleet had room I have also been offered boost by random fleet commanders several times. as an orca fleet commander I have never refused a fleet request and have even offered boost to random newbros who did not know to ask (even paid the CSPA charges to do so) please explain how being in a fleet bypasses the crime and punishment mechanics in high sec??? last time I checked there is even a warning stating that they apply to fleet members when you receive the invite.
2) your 4th point kinda answers the first part of this and also contradicts it as well fact is only CCP can decide the truth of the matter OP should have reported it and that should have been the end of it instead we got a stealth ban multi boxing thread.
as to the rest. it is all before my time and I have no opinion one way or the other you seem to be making a lot of claims here I don't suppose you have any thing but your opinion to back any of it up do you?
3)more opinions with not one citation of any sort to back it up
4) what you meant to say in your 2nd point with which I totally agree
Korwin Abre-Kai
lichfield exploration and salvage
#102 - 2015-03-27 21:16:54 UTC
Brutus Utama wrote:
Korwin Abre-Kai wrote:
when i logged this evening the local ice belt was up and there were aprox 10 miners in the belt , according to the locals it had spawned at 1810 (2 hrs earlier) at 530 I have the belt to my self with 80 units left......... yeah ice belts are totally over crowded and its just not fair CCP PLZ ban multi boxing cause I cant find any ice Roll


80 units isnt worth warping into belt for its what 15m isk? 10 minutes mining ores in null....

ice mining... move to solitude 2 belts and only the locals to bother you


I should have been clearer I was in that belt from some time well after 1810 and mined ice until 5:45 ish I harvested a total of 1100+ units and made around 225 million I make plenty of isk right where I am and see no need to move also this is only one belt of several in the area all of which have similar usage rates

my point was and is that this belt was up for damn near 11 hrs a fact that shows the op to be totally full of manure. and as I am almost certain I know the area he is claiming to be talking about and this system is well with in the "20 jumps" the OP claims to have scouted I would even go so far as to say he is making up his entire story.
Ereilian
Doomheim
#103 - 2015-03-27 23:19:33 UTC
Relax dude, once CCP complete the capital ship nerficide, remove POS's from the game so Team Game of Please Recruit Me Riot can deploy their garbage structure devamp .. yeah ice will be worthless.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2015-03-28 09:04:19 UTC
Alexstrazaas wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Scira Crimson wrote:
1 person = 1 account = 1 character = maximum game integrety

Stick it in yer butt...



let me guess you got 5 alts mining....

You guessed wrong. I don't mine ever, Wayyy too boring and pay off sucks...
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-03-28 10:58:43 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Alexstrazaas wrote:
BrundleMeth wrote:
Scira Crimson wrote:
1 person = 1 account = 1 character = maximum game integrety

Stick it in yer butt...



let me guess you got 5 alts mining....

You guessed wrong. I don't mine ever, Wayyy too boring and pay off sucks...

... and i remember times when mining implants were the thing! And getting lvl4 storyline with reward of 'Mining foreman mindlink' could net you 600 million! And people were actually using it!

Good times....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2015-03-28 11:22:38 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Go to Osmon, sometimes there are up to 3 ice anoms at the same time. And those pesky Code guys are running rampant.


I'll tell Liek you recommended his system for mining.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Noragli
Doomheim
#107 - 2015-03-28 17:14:01 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
All you have to do is watch them like you appear to be doing in your contacts list. If they all log on within a few seconds of each other they are probably using third party software as it isn't physically possible to do this by hand.

If they use this same software to start their mining lasers up as well they are probably breaking the EULA as of January this year. A lot of these characters have been seriously butthurt by the decision but it is better for New Eden in the long run. A chart shown at Fanfest this year showed a massive drop in the ISBoxers after January 1st.

If the lasers all come on at the same time just report them all to CCP and they will do the rest. I have noticed a number of the ISBoxers local to my area are no longer running. We will get there in the end. Dependant on ships used you can be proactive and gank some of these multi-bot miners yourself as well. It doesn't take that much in terms of ISK cost and skills.


If the characters seem synchonised, such as mining lasers turning all on at the exact same time, yes it's clearly isboxing. But logging in within a few seconds of each other? Do you know how easy it is to log in a bunch of characters all within a few seconds of each other by hand? Just get each account to log in screen and press enter quickly as you select each window by hand.
Jane Bond
Eyes in the Skies
I.N.F.A.M.Y
#108 - 2015-03-29 00:22:33 UTC
Lfod Shi wrote:
+1 for one player, one account. Maybe one day... one day... sigh.


And how do you think that can be enforced?

I have any number of email addresses.
I can make more paypal accounts.
I have a bank card and a credit card - and could get other cards with no problem.
I could get friends to pay and/or borrow their addresses.

I have at least 4 computers capable of running EVE.
I have two different broadband connections.
I can have make any computer have a different IP address by routing through a VPN.

It just cant be done.
Unless you propose assigning the police to watch people play.

^^
Jane Bond
Eyes in the Skies
I.N.F.A.M.Y
#109 - 2015-03-29 00:28:33 UTC
Noragli wrote:
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If the characters seem synchonised, such as mining lasers turning all on at the exact same time, yes it's clearly isboxing. But logging in within a few seconds of each other? Do you know how easy it is to log in a bunch of characters all within a few seconds of each other by hand? Just get each account to log in screen and press enter quickly as you select each window by hand.


I believe you are allowed to use ISBOXER to log in accounts and set up windows.

Just not for in-game actions.

DISCLAIMER - make your own checks before you do it!
Vector Symian
0 Fear
#110 - 2015-03-29 01:01:45 UTC
ice mining ruined...LOL

*wanders off lolling as he skips*
Oxide Ammar
#111 - 2015-03-29 05:05:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxide Ammar
You are unbelievable guys, we cried about ISBoxing and all people with with 20+ accounts mining/ bombing / ganking and how they are ruining the game. CCP banned ISBoxing now you have new level of demands ? Why don't you ask CCP to hand over ice blocks to you everyday you log in into game?

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Hermanni Pursiainen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2015-03-29 05:44:51 UTC
Mining itself is already a pretty ****** way of getting income. You can do stuff like incursions for 120m+/h no problem in super safety.

Mining is **** isk and people know it. Thats why it needs to be multiboxed to at least make it somehow feel like you are getting money out of it.

Icemining changes were stupid. Mining is stupid. Why mine when you can earn more in less time with less effort, yes thats right less effort.

Mining needs to get a huge revamp and buffs so its actually worth people's time.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2015-03-29 06:07:51 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Go to Osmon, sometimes there are up to 3 ice anoms at the same time. And those pesky Code guys are running rampant.


I'll tell Liek you recommended his system for mining.


OK. But I don't mine. Maybe you can get someone who read my post and decided to go there even with the warning that code is operating in that area.
Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2015-03-29 06:28:17 UTC
Hermanni Pursiainen wrote:
Mining itself is already a pretty ****** way of getting income. You can do stuff like incursions for 120m+/h no problem in super safety.

Mining is **** isk and people know it. Thats why it needs to be multiboxed to at least make it somehow feel like you are getting money out of it.

Icemining changes were stupid. Mining is stupid. Why mine when you can earn more in less time with less effort, yes thats right less effort.

Mining needs to get a huge revamp and buffs so its actually worth people's time.

Reality is HQs over time are more around 100m an hour till you invest several billions into your ship so you can run with other like minded people or make friends with them.

Mining is low income but there's no way to boost that as it'll just increase the prices of everything farther down the chain of industry.
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ISD Alliance
#115 - 2015-03-29 15:50:21 UTC
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Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#116 - 2015-03-29 16:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Eve Solecist
Hermanni Pursiainen wrote:
Mining itself is already a pretty ****** way of getting income. You can do stuff like incursions for 120m+/h no problem in super safety.

Mining is **** isk and people know it. Thats why it needs to be multiboxed to at least make it somehow feel like you are getting money out of it.

Icemining changes were stupid. Mining is stupid. Why mine when you can earn more in less time with less effort, yes thats right less effort.

Mining needs to get a huge revamp and buffs so its actually worth people's time.

edit: I am talking specifically about ore mining,
because you started talking about mining in general.

You do not understand how it works,
so to help you avoid future posts like these,
I will explain it to you in a short and simple manner.


The prices of minerals are directly related to the prices of everything built by said minerals.


When people ask for "buffs" they usually ask for ...

.) Higher yield, because they think selling more means more money/hr.
.) Higher prices, because they think that higher prices will result in having more money.
.) both.


I know I am repeating myself here, but ...
The prices of minerals are directly related to the prices of everything built by said minerals.

I guess it makes more sense the other way round.


Everything you build from minerals is tied to the prices of minerals.


.) Higher yield = more minerals/hr = more minerals sold/hr = prices of minerals drop.
.) Higher prices = 99% of all modules rise in price = no actual gain in your wallet.



I hope this helped teach you why asking for any buffs regarding the income of miners is rather silly,
and also brought you a bit closer to understanding how the game works.

EDIT:

See ... the real issue comes from people only looking at the number,
but completely ignoring the fact that numbers are meaningless without an attached value.

Miners always earn the same amount of value,
only changing when there is a shift in prices happening for some reason,
which usually doesn't last very long.


In the end miners always earn the same value,
because there's a fixed ratio minerals/modules.
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Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#117 - 2015-03-29 17:28:47 UTC
A few weeks ago I wrote a thread on this same subject. CCP ruined my ice mining corp because now the ice only last about 1 hour and you can get maybe 2 to three loads before its gone. As far as im concerned CCP ruined this game!!!
Noragli
Doomheim
#118 - 2015-03-29 19:07:10 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
A few weeks ago I wrote a thread on this same subject. CCP ruined my ice mining corp because now the ice only last about 1 hour and you can get maybe 2 to three loads before its gone. As far as im concerned CCP ruined this game!!!


Which system is that? Ice lasts for 2-3 hours usually
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#119 - 2015-03-29 19:12:16 UTC
Wait, guys I will handle this...

MINER! CALM DOWN!

Evil RatKid
ashley Eoner
#120 - 2015-03-29 20:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Musashi IV wrote:
A few weeks ago I wrote a thread on this same subject. CCP ruined my ice mining corp because now the ice only last about 1 hour and you can get maybe 2 to three loads before its gone. As far as im concerned CCP ruined this game!!!

So you want CCP to increase the supply so that you earn even less isk per hour?


Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Wait, guys I will handle this...

MINER! CALM DOWN!

haha seems you need to bust out a locator agent and some ship logistics.