EVE General Discussion

So when I was in the military a bunch of people heard that I play eve and all ended up playing eve, most have stopped due to getting out of the military or still being in but either training all the time or spending the little free time they have with family.

1 guy recently restarted and he wasn't the brightest person but ingame he takes it to a whole new level of lazy and brainless.
Ive talked to him about various things, given him EUNI sites and youtube videos but "its to much work"

It took me 12 hours on a Saturday after hauling myself 28 jumps from incursions to help him do missions for him to go to a market hub every mission. Now your asking your self "why did this guy go to market during every mission, was it before the mission or after?" the answer to that was during the mission, he liked to go into the mission with only the ammo in his guns and none in his cargo.

finally convinced him to go to the market and buy a crap ton of ammo, he bought 300k rounds. Now most of us in eve knows when we go shopping you take something with cargospace right? Well not this guy, he took his battleship bought the ammo and "ummm the ammo doesn't fit in my ship." *double face palm*

so now we are running missions and he went afk in the mission, and I don't mean like afk I need to bio, it was afk I need to go for an hour to eat. I figured he was smart enough that as we just warped in the pocket when he said he needed to go eat, that he knew to warp to station or a planet or something that wasn't going to have rats. he asked "hey you got this mission while I go eat" and im like "yeah easily, just warp to station and you can rejoin whatever mission im on." him "*silence*"

I ofcourse yelled at him an hour later when we came back from eating.
him"well I do other things"
me:"so do I" him:"no you dont"
me:"i have 2 clients of eve up, 2 browser games" music playing, eating mac and cheese, and reviewing my notes for alternators, motors and generators, and still maintain full awareness of whats going on"
him: "so"

how the hell do you teach someone when they require you to hold their hand from the second they log on because the wheel is spinning but the mouse is dead. he refuses to read, or watch anything (even some of the ones that don't take the game seriously can pick things up watching moving pics right? right?!?!), he soaks up nothing I tell him when I dumb it down to the most possible level.
"go to market, buy industrial with big cargo space, buy lots of ammo, put ammo in cargo, set course back for here which is 3 jumps, you CANT get lost" "but my industrial is 10 jumps away" *facepalm* keep in mind this guy has over 600m isk and considers is a lot investing in ammo for a mission or mining crystals

so far mining is the only thing his speed and ive already seen him years ago. die to belt rats because he went to the shop and just sit in the belt, and his choice of mining is horrible sitting in ganker infested areas as he watches other people die and it doesn't dawn on him.

ive described this game to him that it takes a bit of brain power and there are consequences.
past telling him to go back to world of tanks, which drove him here due to cheating that now runs rampant in the game and such I don't know what else to do.

Next time he goes AFK like that... shoot him in the face (in game of course). Or contract someone else to do it (and record his tears for the rest of us to bathe in)

I feel your pain dude. I've talked on these forums about a few people I've tried to help in the game, with hilarious results.

The thing to remember is that these are people and they bring into the game a lot of their personal baggage. If a guy is a know it all in real life who continually screws everything up because he doesn't think he needs to learn anything, he'll do that in game too. If he is forgetful or reckless or thoughtless or stubborn, that will shine through too.

The most memorable guy was the guy who came into the game via an invite from a friend of mine so I invited him to my personal channel. This guy was pure gold, he had so many pre-concieved notions about how things should go, and if you explained things to him , he argued with you despite the fact that he had evidence that what he thought was wrong (in the form of lots of lossmails lol). He went on and on about how "EVE should give me XP for playing, this time skills thing sucks" lol.

Now, we are all noobs once, but there are GOOD noobs and BAD noobs. Good noobs train up a Cruiser that has a hybrid bonus, put lasers and artillery + 2 types of missile launchers and shield and armor reppers on it and leave every other slot empty, and we get blown up, and we talk to someone and they show us how to fit, why we don't mix guns or tank types, why we need to fill our slots, etc.

BAD noobs explain to you why their fit is perfect, how they "use the artillery on the npcs at long range, then swtich to lasers at short range. This missiles are there to finish them off only" and why having empty slots means better protection because weapons fire goes through the empty spaces... I'm not kidding about that last part btw.

Talking to the guy was like pulling teeth, and the age old "let his dumb ass learn by blowing up since he won't listen" didn't work either, he'd die over and over and over and still keep being stupid lol. I suspect Dunning and Kruger was right about this type of guy.


The truth here is that some people are so irredeemably stupid or arrogant or ignorant that nothing you do to help them will ever penetrate. Not all noobs are like this, some are smart and teachable and still decide they don't like the game and that's ok. But the dumb ones make you want to pull you hair out lol.

I have to show him how to fly, he almost lost his ship sitting in 1 spot, I wasn't expecting him to go to eat and stay in the fn mission.

thanks for the replies so far, I expected trolls off the bat, ill have to switch the corp safety settings with out him knowing

right now he cant find Arnon which is to many jumps for him and he cant figure out how to make a contract, ill end up seeing him tonight and this weekend. this will be weekend #2

Out of Pod Experiences

I guess the same way you teach people to post in the correct forum section. By your age, you aren't going to learn. you're going to make an ISD move your post, and have a shell with a lock on our pristine front page. Oh and alas....

You have to do things for the right reasons, to answer your actual question. How many psychiatrists does it take to change a lightbulb? One. But, it has to want to change. Playing EVE 'cause everybody else in our unit is isn't a good reason. Playing EVE 'cause a guy I was stationed with wants to renew this group experience, so I guess I'll humor him isn't a good reason, either. Playing EVE 'cause I want to is the only reason that will sustain your gaming interest.

You're a grown person. No one should have to explain this to you. Give the guy a break.

Yeah no, not what I meant.
Wanted to correct it, but you replied already.

I'll sum it up.

From my POV you are the fool in this story
and you have a really bad corp asset there,
which you hopefully get rid of.

im a 1 man corp anyways other then him rejoining eve and being fat and helpless, on the plus side I should be getting a war dec from marmite for taking the drones they left on a gate because as I left system I was quickly convoed and threatened over a war dec for 5 t2 hammerheads

\o/

hes already said he will only be on til the end of his sub because he has to go to work. so ill have my break then if I don't kill him first

This is real.

KILL HIM FIRST! :D

truth, I like to encourage most young characters growth, another I came across before had a SNI he passive tanked with a staggering 87hp's and didn't want to give his dps up for more tank but couldn't understand why his passive tank would tank a mission while my CNR did more damage then him.

I have no problem teaching people how to play and all as ive taught many before but theres been a select few that's like
"WoW is that way -------->"