Wormholes

Went to both round tables,
TBH was some what depressing in some regards.

Normally CCP Fozzie tells AHARM we are only allowed to go to one of the round tables rather explicitly

The questions posted where some what depressing. People where proposing random ideas, and then started to try and design said ideas in front of the devs who actually do the things..

Some one wanted 2x t2 scan rigs because "scanning is hard!" there's also a clear lack of understanding about wh mechanics, tips on how to probe efficiently. one guy even wanted ccp to make bascily beacons on your overview for the wh's when you scan them to 100%.

I was going to stand up and say some things, but that would have made me come across as an arrogant high class wh dweller.

but basicly WH space is hard space, its not null, and its never going to be easy mode, that dosnt mean that bad gameplay is good gameplay. But people didnt bring any evidence to proof or suggest said gameplay was bad, just that they where lazy, and would rather pay people in there corps to scan, instead of learning how to efficient at it.

I'm unsure if the questions asked relate to people not knowing enough about general wh mechanics, or not knowing that you can ask other groups for tips and tricks in how things work and general advice on how to just be better as a scanner, and how to roll holes efficiently with out dieing as often.


AHARM has been working on some long term goals and objectives vis–à–vis with devlopers and hilmar & co.
Some of these require whole sections of the game to be rewritten and fixed, and finally some of those things are showing results.

Alliance bookmarks is one (basicly requires corporations and alliances to be rewritten)

After talking with beatric he is not opposed to being able to swap clones in a wh, this will allow my group to swap to empty clones so we can make better use of frigate holes (something people moaned about)
You will not how ever be able to jump to a wh from k space. and if the thing that holds the clones die, your dead clones will show up on a kb.

Roqual was discussed as being a ship that might be able to run this service, but a pos mod was also proffered.

Overall I like the round tables, but im dubious as to perhaps we should have howto not suck sessions instead, followed by a proper round table later.

That was some depressing key note right there .

There's a difference between keeping it difficult vs a quality of life change.

Scanned sigs persisting when you jump a new hole and return, heck I like that.

Gives scanners a bit more power to delegate bookmarks and to mark what's relevant and what is not.

That's a simple thing that I think is positive.

Not everything suggested is doom and gloom wspace. A lot was but not all of it.

Couldn't get into either of the WH roundtables as they were full when I got there, so thanks for posting this writeup!

Definitely not a fan of auto-bookmarking or reverse warp or a mass reduction mechanic that doesn't require actually jumping through.

Minimum mass holes could be interesting. Jump through, get popped, can't jump back out in pod?

No mention of Alliance bookmarks, will assume they won't be coming Soon (tm).

Rorqual is kind of bloody useless in C1-C4 wspace now. Making the clone vat bay work in wspace for changing implants would be nice. We've also chatted that an anchorable mini-pos effect for the rorqual might make for some interesting gameplay, as would giving the rorq the smartbombing bonus it deserves

Agree with other posters: scanning is already ridiculously easy. Why does it need to be even easier? Alliance bookmarks would be really nice, though.

I dont enjoy mining and as such, I don't do it.
if people dont like scanning, there are other things they can go do!

youre also very wrong, a ton of people DO want WHs to be easier because theyre lazy.
scanning is not a 'tedious time sink', it is a very important part of living in wspace and it's time people realized this.

I find scanning to be quite rewarding, its a way a good scout can show there abilities, the skills can take a bit of time, but they arnt that terrible and they can be used in all other areas of space, Scanning sigs is the easy bit, most systems can be done inside off 10 mins even if its a black hole or shattered system. I only struggle really with working out what pos's /ships are at what moons. and you can't train skills for that, you get that by experience with dscan.

Regardless of what space you go to, people who know wh's are in increasing demand in all other areas of space, null bears are getting more cocky at rolling incoming wh's to null with caps (and not getting locked out) they are using them for logistics both taking stuff to hs, and bringing stuff back, and this trend is increasing rapidly.

In reply to Ariete some stats where shown to prove that actually the vast majority of people who attend ffest in person, most where infact deemed "Professionals" by ccp, based on there in game activities.

If you suck at scanning, are having trouble with WH mechanics, dont be afraid to ask other groups even if they are red to your group. Some of the questions to be frank should never have been asked if those who asked them had spent some real time doing some of the things, either by experimenting with ship fits, watching some videos on you tube (how to scan like jack miton)

You will feel more comfortable in wh space once you know how things work, you'll also be far more likely to engage some one with the knowledge of how to get out if things get f'd up, or know that even if things go bad, you have already prepared for that situation.

So the real question is,
How does one find out how to live in wh space.
If I decide to live there how do I find out how things work and where can I go to find a good list of concise uptodate information or ask questions so that I may.
A) Stay alive
B) make isk
C) kill other people via pvp
D) not burn out.

Good stuff, Ariete. Would have been nice to meet up.

I made both roundtables, and was the guy in the front corner of the second one who was noticeably against the proposals of making scanning easier and had the dialogue about CCP on how scanning skill is an important PVP aspect of wormholes, as well as telling the kid to biomass for suggesting auto-warp back and auto-bookmarking.

Ariete, I will say that Fozzie didn't say that Shattered structures were "unlikely", when I asked him about using Shattered to be a proving ground for developing space, he said they were "keeping their options open, and that they have the ability to limit structures in certain areas." Speaking further on that subject, there is no definitive plan being voiced by CCP regarding direction of Shattered other than Fozzie saying they weren't seeing the intended play, and some changes would need to be made.

Some of the questions were decent, some were terrible, some were great. Alliance bookmarks are a KNOWN, so the fact that they didn't get focus in the roundtables was fine. We know it is a "need" and so does CCP. Glad wormhole stabilization didn't come up, except for those sitting near enough to me to hear me say "since we are on the topic of bad ideas, how about a timeline for implementing wormhole stabilization."

And honestly, if you attended the roundtable and didn't ask questions or get involved because you thought you'd be perceived as "pretentious" or "arrogant", you wasted a good opportunity. If you have a good idea, then you have a good idea. Doesn't matter what someone with less perspective thinks about you if your idea benefits wormholes.

/three cents

It was asked. Please reference the post above yours for the correction to Ariete's notes.

Source: I asked the question.

Edit: And to clarify, CCP Fozzie said that some structures will be limited to certain areas and they haven't decided on which structures will be "allowed" in w-space or shattered holes. It's a "work in progress".

I very much agree with you. The reassuring part is that CCP has made it very clear that they are going to be listening for our feedback often and our concerns and ideas will help to sculpt their direction with wormhole implementation... Usually I'd be skeptical, but CCP has been doing a great job of communicating with our playerbase, especially of late.

**This is my opinion based on my own observations**

***Some may disagree, I'm sure***