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Half year, 200B collected, 1T destroyed: donate for destruction

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Noragen Neirfallas
Emotional Net Loss
#41 - 2015-03-26 05:14:27 UTC
Danalee wrote:
flakeys wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!

They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol

The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe



17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .


Do you realize how hard it is to sneak up on people when you're in a huge blob?
Now THAT takes skill!

D.

Bear

Been there done that. Somebody ought to give me a t-shirt for that too

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#42 - 2015-03-26 08:14:22 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.

Killing ratters does no direct damage to the coalition wallet. But it does reduce it's members numbers, as a member without ratting either stop playing or goes back to high-sec to carebear. And a coalition without members is a joke.
Apparently you've never lived in null. Ratting is one of many methods of earning ISK in null. Hell, most people can cover personal expenses through PI alone, but there's also personal moons, trading, (a small amount of industry), explo, etc. It's pretty much the same as income streams anywhere else.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#43 - 2015-03-26 12:00:33 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!

They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol

The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe



17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .


OHHHHHHH SNAP!

I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt!

SNAP!

But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Lol


Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did.

Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Joseph Soprano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-03-26 12:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Joseph Soprano
flakeys wrote:


So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.



flakeys wrote:


Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.



Does this help?

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2014/05/mordus-angels-data.html
flakeys
Doomheim
#45 - 2015-03-26 14:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Joseph Soprano wrote:
flakeys wrote:


So assuming you meant that one then yes he is investing in pvp.The thing is he is claiming that the damage done was purely because of that investment.Now go look at the MOA killboard and look for the months before gevlon invested last year.Their best months where when he was not even investing.I am not claiming he isn't helping MOA recover their losses , i am however highly doubting that his investment in MOA is actually imrpoving the amount of kills a month as he claims they are.



flakeys wrote:


Now de-***** the data from the rest of the year 2014 .Compare that with the kills since you have been sponsoring them , make a montly average and tell me how much more kill% your 200 B added.



Does this help?

http://greedygoblin.blogspot.hu/2014/05/mordus-angels-data.html



Yup , that looks like what i was aiming at and if these stats are correct then it seems GG's investment does give an increase to the total damage done.Offcourse it is hard to pinpoint it exaclty as you have to take wardeployements into account and i rrrrrrrreally don't feel like giving that a look . Unlike gevlon i absolutely hate spreadsheets Blink.

Well if correct then it does surprise me and my assumption was wrong as to the effect GG's investment has.When you look at the killboard you will notice the total amounts killed per month give another impression but that is before that data is de-whored.As such my first look at the killboards made me think GG's investment had no influence what so ever but with the figures given it seems it does.

Still doesn't let me believe it has any reall impact on the CFC though LolBlink.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-03-26 22:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
flakeys wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!

They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol

The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe



17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .


OHHHHHHH SNAP!

I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt!

SNAP!

But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Lol


Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did.

Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.


Goons do what ever they want... pretty sure no one can stop them, so if you have a problem with goons... take it up with goons? Maybe you can donate to this legendary donation drive LolLolLol

As for the titan incident... he got a new one right after sooooooooooooo yeah.

But as for your elite blue blob gank of a killboard... huh, good for you! I'm not huge into zerging targets, even though i have plenty of super kills, POS kills, fleet overwhelming kills... but it doesn't mean anything. Well except we have a lot of blue friends to kill everyone Blink

Been around since the beginning.

flakeys
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-03-27 07:32:22 UTC
d0cTeR9 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
d0cTeR9 wrote:
If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!

They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol

The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe



17 B in kills while in the blob and only one solo kill ever , come on dude if you want to trash others for sucking at pvp at least have a better kb then my trade/research alt has .


OHHHHHHH SNAP!

I mostly run logi and POS's on this alt!

SNAP!

But hey good one! Don't let my 2004 alt scare you! Come say hi in fade! Keep on blobing! Lol


Gosh i so didn't expect you to say 'boohoo but it's an alt , my main who i don't mention has an awsome record' .Nope totally not ... ow but i did i said my trade/research alt had more kills didn't i .. yup i did.

Talking **** about MOA is all fine and dandy but coming from the Alliance that brought us let's undock this kessie full of plex in jita what can go wrong ' and 'sure goons we'll kill our fellow titanmate if you say so' is pure gold.


Goons do what ever they want... pretty sure no one can stop them, so if you have a problem with goons... take it up with goons? Maybe you can donate to this legendary donation drive LolLolLol

As for the titan incident... he got a new one right after sooooooooooooo yeah.

But as for your elite blue blob gank of a killboard... huh, good for you! I'm not huge into zerging targets, even though i have plenty of super kills, POS kills, fleet overwhelming kills... but it doesn't mean anything. Well except we have a lot of blue friends to kill everyone Blink


The one who has to awox a friend because of light suspicions and does so has a problem with goons but then they mostly have a problem as an Alliance themselves as they trust people from the outside better then their inner circle.I would call that a toxic enviremont.

So as such , nope i don't have a problem with goons , never had to do anything i didn't want to because of them so why would i ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Catalytic morphisis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2015-03-27 10:28:31 UTC
YES! I've been waiting for a Bullshit gevlon post for so long! Please Amuse me with some Terrible stat manipulation and all your "Burn the infidels" crap! More graphs needed!

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-03-28 07:02:47 UTC
Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil:
Chart
It ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

flakeys
Doomheim
#50 - 2015-03-28 09:16:02 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil:
Chart
It ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.



Still sceptical i looked at memberbase assuming that an increase in that would give a higher kb number and would again diminish the investment-effect.Oddly enough since september last year instead of an increase MOA actually had an 18.26 % decrease in members.


I'm 'allmost' inclined to believe it does have an effect ... Shocked


Ah well as long as it keeps you from posting on EN24 then it's all for a good cause .... Lol

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-03-28 14:30:34 UTC
Bear

Hmm why the hate for gevlon?

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-03-28 15:10:49 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Bear

Hmm why the hate for gevlon?


Because he is a ******* idiot.

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Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2015-03-28 16:59:34 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Bear
Hmm why the hate for gevlon?

Because he is a ******* idiot.


Idiot savant? Or idiot of the plain variant?
I can't imagine idiots wielding spreadsheets, graphs and pie charts like this... oh wait...

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-03-28 16:59:38 UTC
i will invade an take over null in my venture if you donate 200b isk :D for ship replacement an fittings ofc
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2015-03-29 12:19:34 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil:
Chart
It ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.


Which still blissfully ignores the fluctuations of the MoA corporation numbers, and the individual member size of member corps going in and out from MoA.

Needless to say, it also ignores any change in CFC numbers and deployment activity. There are also a few more variables that has a profound effect on this, but enough with statistics.

Now, only a fool would buy the idea that the chump change you are throwing at an alliance, which is the laughing stock of anyone seriously PvP oriented in EVE, translates to a demonstration of your success.

It doesn't. I staunchly believe people who went through institutions of higher education in later stages of their lives possess an intellectual edge, ergo, it is difficult for me to believe that you can't realize this.

This is only about you, trying desperately to sell the idea that your actions in this game somehow influences the balance of power exists at a larger scale than any single individual, with perhaps, one or two famous exceptions.

Every bizarre and unsound idea coming from you, that was supposed to demonstrate your individual superiority above the other playing EVE so far, has failed catastrophically. You couldn't feasibly sustain any of your previous commitments. I now look at the donation board, and see hours and days of your personal time invested in it. Billions of ISK, farmed through bot-like activity. An investment that no one else bothers to commit to any donation board, as the realities of mathematics make is evident to everyone that a group of many will end up triumphing the effort of one.

As I was writing this, I looked at the donation board you have been doing your best for months to promote now. The inevitable truth is that no one takes your pleas for donations seriously.

For nearly three years, you have tried to show this player base that you are somewhat a better player, one with superior intellect and savvy miles beyond any other individual. You have showed previously that you manage to cope with lack of any clear success that could be attributed to you in EVE through keeping up a sustained belief that somehow, the amount of wealth you have accumulated through commitment of the majority of your time is superior to any other individual's. I remember how you seriously claimed that a high-sec mercenary alliance such as Marmite cannot afford to keep CFC war-decced all the time. Or how you claimed that just because no one else is flaunting around a mediocre amount of wealth such as yours must mean that there is no one else playing this game exceeding your wealth as they must be either seling their ISK or lying. It isn't just that you are really trying hard to deceive and con everyone into your superiority, it is also that sometimes it awkwardly seems like you are also trying hard to deceive yourself.

I have never experienced such a serious and sustained failure in my life before. Not in EVE, not in my life. I look at you now and wonder... Please do tell Gevlon, how does it feel to be in your shoes?


Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-03-29 12:51:04 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Bear

Hmm why the hate for gevlon?


Not hate. What I see is ridicule. Mockery. Sometimes even pity.

To put those into perspective, let me provide an example: A BNI pilot might hate a PL FC such as Grath Telkin. He has a reason to. Grath Telkin has power and is personally an instrument of that very same power being applied against BNI to the detriment of the BNI and the BNI pilot himself.

That sort of power dynamic ends up fostering hate.

Gevlon doesn't have any power. He didn't before, and most likely he won't in future either.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2015-03-29 13:11:29 UTC
All sides in this debate are equally funny;

Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care.

:popcorn time

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-03-29 13:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alp Khan
Danalee wrote:
All sides in this debate are equally funny;

Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care.

:popcorn time

D.

Bear


Mathematics, projection and variables does not carry Gevlon's... schtick. Nor do they carry any alliance tag, including ours. Some of us are predisposed to argue certain points systematically and coherently.

Your personal decision to avoid demonstrating the capacity or tenaciousness to conceive does not bring certain absolutes into any doubt.

By the way, bless your heart for signing that post of yours. I couldn't possibly have hoped to figure out who penned that particular post otherwise.
flakeys
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-03-29 14:00:09 UTC
Danalee wrote:
All sides in this debate are equally funny;

Gevlon promoting his burn all the goons schtick and his detractors (mostly goons) posting walls of text to show how little they care.

:popcorn time

D.

Bear


You mean like the mercthreads in here battling it out in each others threads how bad the other one is and how good they are , you know marmite and the likes .... wich kinda hurts your sides badly from laughing considering they are battling over ''the high-sec pvp trophy'' .


But then my kids also tend to fight over their crappy happy meal gifts , so i can relate to it ...




In that regard topics like these are quite in their place in crime and punishment . The cesspool of the eve forum where true heroes are self-claimed every minute , wich probably also is the reason why i like this part of the forums the most.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

flakeys
Doomheim
#60 - 2015-03-29 14:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Alp Khan wrote:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Since many were curious, how the donation affected MoA, here is a chart of older MoA kills against the minions of Evil:
Chart
It ends with December, you can add January: 198B, February: 155B.


Which still blissfully ignores the fluctuations of the MoA corporation numbers, and the individual member size of member corps going in and out from MoA.






For a second ignoring all the rest as i'm sure gevlon has some charts laying left and right to counter whatever arguement you have , in the above regard it actually works in his favour.As i said above your post i immediatly had that idea too so i looked up their memberbase changes and since gevlon has been donating the memberbase actually went down by allmost 1/5th .

Not surprised the memberbase did went down though as the idea of fighting ''gevlons holy crusade'' , even when accidently , would leave a sour taste among many players.But then on the other side you get to kill goons while having SRP so it really is choosing for the worst and best in eve when you join MOA at this point.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.