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[Proposal] Make T2 original blueprints available to everyone

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Simeon Whiteheaven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-17 12:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Simeon Whiteheaven
Well, maybe not to everyone, but at least everyone with a certain Skills level and right corp standings.
I'll try to explain what exactly I have in mind.
It has been some time since the ccp abolished the "lottery" where you could get any t2 BPO.
Whether you get them because of pure luck or providence of some higher power is not an issue to which I will go today.
The point is that they should be available to new players.
Take for example Co-Processor II Blueprint, to create a copy of the blueprint you need some equipment as: Datacore - Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering, Incognito Data Interface and copy of Co-Processor I Blueprint.
You also need some skills like science and electronics both at level 5, and some other at lower level like hacking, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering and Gallente encryption methods.
What I propose is that people who have the necessary Skills and equipment be allowed to annually make one T2 BPO at an appropriate R&D agent, of whose corporations have required standing.
So for example if you want to make Co-Processor II Blueprint original you need this:
- several hundred Datacore both Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering( for ship BPO more than thousand of both type )
- both skills for Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering at level 5
- also science, hacking and electronics at level 5
- one original Co-Processor I Blueprint
- several copy of Co-Processor II Blueprint
- one Incognito Data Interface
- some type of tools like Stolen Formulas, Symbiotic Figures, Collision Measurements, Engagement Plan
- and od course ISK, lots of ISK ( for equipment and ammo several hundred million ISK, and for ships more than billion)
Once you have all the equipment and materials go to the right R&D agent ( one that have both skills with Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering ), provide him with all required equipment and materials and of course you pay him with ISK and he provide you with your blueprint, but you can only do this once a year and only with one R&D agent.
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#2 - 2011-12-17 13:08:03 UTC
they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
#3 - 2011-12-17 13:09:26 UTC
they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years
Simeon Whiteheaven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-12-17 13:13:17 UTC
Trin Javidan wrote:
they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years


I would probably do that if they're being sold on the market
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#5 - 2011-12-17 15:51:59 UTC
Remove your enter key from your keyboard. Alternatively, biomass yourself for being a failure and wasting our time with this post.
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#6 - 2011-12-17 21:31:36 UTC
No...

The current invention system works and keeps prices high.

Those who have some old school bpo's - so be it... id rather those go too...

But t2 should never have bpo's
Simeon Whiteheaven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-18 10:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Simeon Whiteheaven
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Remove your enter key from your keyboard. Alternatively, biomass yourself for being a failure and wasting our time with this post.


One example of a very expressive and picturesque way of speaking his opinion by a person who probably has a large number of T2 originals in the hangar, and of course does not suit him to increase number of original because I would have an impact on his earnings.
But I would still like to hear other people's opinion on this topic.
Even if CCP use my proposal in this form the most you can expect is to get one blueprint every year.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2011-12-18 12:59:52 UTC
Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:
Trin Javidan wrote:
they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years


I would probably do that if they're being sold on the market



Sounds like you've been looking in the wrong places. Try one of these:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=278 <-- Sell Order forum
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=279 <-- Want Ads and Trades forum

They are available to everyone. Just be prepared to pay tens or hundreds of billions of ISK for one.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Goose99
#9 - 2011-12-18 15:33:22 UTC
Reinstate lottery. +1Cool
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-12-18 16:12:43 UTC
MNagy wrote:
No...

The current invention system works and keeps prices high.

Those who have some old school bpo's - so be it... id rather those go too...

But t2 should never have bpo's



This!
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#11 - 2011-12-18 17:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Emperor Salazar
Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Remove your enter key from your keyboard. Alternatively, biomass yourself for being a failure and wasting our time with this post.


One example of a very expressive and picturesque way of speaking his opinion by a person who probably has a large number of T2 originals in the hangar, and of course does not suit him to increase number of original because I would have an impact on his earnings.
But I would still like to hear other people's opinion on this topic.
Even if CCP use my proposal in this form the most you can expect is to get one blueprint every year.


I'm in test bro. I'm more space poor than a homeless man.

I don't need a personal stake in this to know that invention works just fine for people that have half a brain and the only people that cry about T2 bpos simply aren't interested in putting in the effort to make invention work for them.
Goose99
#12 - 2011-12-18 18:08:44 UTC
"there's nothing wrong with t2 bpos, so they shouldn't be removed."

but at the same time:

"bpo lottery shouldn't return, t2 bpos are too op."

translation:

"I/my alliance has t2 bpos, we should be the only ones farming them and win Eve."

Lol
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-12-18 18:10:50 UTC
Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:
Well, maybe not to everyone, but at least everyone with a certain Skills level and right corp standings.
I'll try to explain what exactly I have in mind.
It has been some time since the ccp abolished the "lottery" where you could get any t2 BPO.
Whether you get them because of pure luck or providence of some higher power is not an issue to which I will go today.
The point is that they should be available to new players.
Take for example Co-Processor II Blueprint, to create a copy of the blueprint you need some equipment as: Datacore - Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering, Incognito Data Interface and copy of Co-Processor I Blueprint.
You also need some skills like science and electronics both at level 5, and some other at lower level like hacking, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering and Gallente encryption methods.
What I propose is that people who have the necessary Skills and equipment be allowed to annually make one T2 BPO at an appropriate R&D agent, of whose corporations have required standing.
So for example if you want to make Co-Processor II Blueprint original you need this:
- several hundred Datacore both Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering( for ship BPO more than thousand of both type )
- both skills for Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering at level 5
- also science, hacking and electronics at level 5
- one original Co-Processor I Blueprint
- several copy of Co-Processor II Blueprint
- one Incognito Data Interface
- some type of tools like Stolen Formulas, Symbiotic Figures, Collision Measurements, Engagement Plan
- and od course ISK, lots of ISK ( for equipment and ammo several hundred million ISK, and for ships more than billion)
Once you have all the equipment and materials go to the right R&D agent ( one that have both skills with Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering ), provide him with all required equipment and materials and of course you pay him with ISK and he provide you with your blueprint, but you can only do this once a year and only with one R&D agent.


For you to say this...means you absolutely suck at invention and doing it wrong.

Hell

No.

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Simeon Whiteheaven
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-24 06:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Simeon Whiteheaven
Drake Draconis wrote:
Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:
Well, maybe not to everyone, but at least everyone with a certain Skills level and right corp standings.
I'll try to explain what exactly I have in mind.
It has been some time since the ccp abolished the "lottery" where you could get any t2 BPO.
Whether you get them because of pure luck or providence of some higher power is not an issue to which I will go today.
The point is that they should be available to new players.
Take for example Co-Processor II Blueprint, to create a copy of the blueprint you need some equipment as: Datacore - Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering, Incognito Data Interface and copy of Co-Processor I Blueprint.
You also need some skills like science and electronics both at level 5, and some other at lower level like hacking, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering and Gallente encryption methods.
What I propose is that people who have the necessary Skills and equipment be allowed to annually make one T2 BPO at an appropriate R&D agent, of whose corporations have required standing.
So for example if you want to make Co-Processor II Blueprint original you need this:
- several hundred Datacore both Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering( for ship BPO more than thousand of both type )
- both skills for Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering at level 5
- also science, hacking and electronics at level 5
- one original Co-Processor I Blueprint
- several copy of Co-Processor II Blueprint
- one Incognito Data Interface
- some type of tools like Stolen Formulas, Symbiotic Figures, Collision Measurements, Engagement Plan
- and od course ISK, lots of ISK ( for equipment and ammo several hundred million ISK, and for ships more than billion)
Once you have all the equipment and materials go to the right R&D agent ( one that have both skills with Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering ), provide him with all required equipment and materials and of course you pay him with ISK and he provide you with your blueprint, but you can only do this once a year and only with one R&D agent.


For you to say this...means you absolutely suck at invention and doing it wrong.

Hell

No.

I do not suck in the invention, just dont have too much time that I can work with invention, except when my corp permanently reside in high sec.
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club
#15 - 2011-12-27 21:47:03 UTC
What bothers me more is that its called "INVENTION", You can't invent something that ALREADY HAS BEEN CONCEIVED AND MADE!

Change the term invention to some other term. IT IS NOT INVENTION!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2011-12-27 21:56:26 UTC
Pink Marshmellow wrote:
What bothers me more is that its called "INVENTION", You can't invent something that ALREADY HAS BEEN CONCEIVED AND MADE!

Change the term invention to some other term. IT IS NOT INVENTION!


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Aineko Macx
#17 - 2011-12-28 16:44:06 UTC
Where is that Akita T2 BPO mythbuster thread again...
Velicitia
XS Tech
#18 - 2011-12-28 16:59:52 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
Where is that Akita T2 BPO mythbuster thread again...



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=387996#post387996

this one? (post 68)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Aineko Macx
#19 - 2011-12-29 04:52:09 UTC
He posted many times about T2 BPOs, I was looking for the one where he dissects the issue in like 4 different supply/demand situations, each with their peculiarities.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#20 - 2011-12-29 06:32:46 UTC
I think the fact that T2 BPOs used in the construction of 50 million ISK ships sell for ~35 billion ISK sort of speaks for itself.
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