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[Proposal] CONCORD leniency for first time offenders

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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#21 - 2011-12-14 19:33:14 UTC
No leniency. No way, no how.

Yes to education. Have the Devs cook up a new tutorial session where person is given a ship by Concord and instructed to do something Darwinian .. throw in a bunch of text to explain what happened and why.
- Zero chance of exploitation (you know it will happen sooner or later) and the NPE guys gets something new to get their nerd on.

PS: Have Devs trawl the code to make sure there are not some modules/actions that are somehow evading the warning-popup.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-15 15:08:12 UTC
Computer says no.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#23 - 2011-12-15 17:42:47 UTC
Ethereal 3600 wrote:
2. a ganker that sends 5 heavy drones after you from 40 km you pop his drones as there heading straight at you and hence you can track them but you get poped because the drones are not considered hostel till after they close range and start firing


Okay, problems I see with this scenario:

1) What ship are you flying that you can't track heavy drones, yet are at risk of being ganked by them before Concord supplies you with a free flight of heavy drones to scoop?

2) What ship is the ganker flying that can point you at 40 km, preventing you from escaping?

3) Why are you trying to target and shoot a full flight of drones rather than simply aligning so you can warp out as soon as the drones fire a shot and concord is triggered?

If you EVER die to a ganker from 40 km away and they didn't alpha you, it's because you are TERRIBLE at Eve.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2011-12-15 18:14:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Ethereal 3600 wrote:
2. a ganker that sends 5 heavy drones after you from 40 km you pop his drones as there heading straight at you and hence you can track them but you get poped because the drones are not considered hostel till after they close range and start firing


Okay, problems I see with this scenario:

1) What ship are you flying that you can't track heavy drones, yet are at risk of being ganked by them before Concord supplies you with a free flight of heavy drones to scoop?

2) What ship is the ganker flying that can point you at 40 km, preventing you from escaping?

3) Why are you trying to target and shoot a full flight of drones rather than simply aligning so you can warp out as soon as the drones fire a shot and concord is triggered?

If you EVER die to a ganker from 40 km away and they didn't alpha you, it's because you are TERRIBLE at Eve.


Why did he bother engaging the drones in the first place?

Wait it out....shooting them makes it worse.

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Cid SilverWing
Doomheim
#25 - 2011-12-17 08:13:55 UTC
You get told to your face that if you trip an offensive module against a player or you're trying to assist an aggressed player.

YOU

WILL

AGGRESS/GET CONCORDOKKEN'D

Uninstall EVE if you can't read warnings
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#26 - 2011-12-17 13:33:02 UTC
Last time I experimented with ECM burst I got the aggression from hitting just about anything, be it asteroids, invisible beacons, accel gates etc.
Was before there were pop-ups for everything though so may have changed or maybe the warning only kicks in when/if another ship is near by .. wouldn't put it past the devs to have missed some instances where the pop-up system fails to activate.
Xiantra
#27 - 2011-12-22 23:55:31 UTC
Follow up:

1. (concerning lack of a popup): filed a petition and got a response - CCP "can't verify" that I did or did not get a popup so they won't act. (annoying but I won't loose any sleep over this - it just reflects badly on CCPs willingness to work toward an equitable game)

2. (concerning how aggression is handled in hi sec): CCP (support) says "your disagreement with the 'one-size-fits-all punishment' is something you'll need to take to the CSM or Dev's as we merely explain the rules, we don't make them."


So a final comment on the EVE universe for this CSM proposal:

Games have to be fun to be profitable - both for the Devs and the players - obviously players can choose not to play and no one wants to play a dying MMPOG. Game choices either encourage players or discourage them - the goal (actually requirement) is that more things must encourage than discourage players to keep subscriptions rising or keep them steady and active. As an example the permanent-loss-of-ships paradigm in EVE is perhaps the biggest and most controversial Dev choice - quoted by many as an encouragement (it is realistic) and yet it is dramatically expensive and puts many players off. Yet ship loss is a defining characteristic of EVE and overall attracts a significant number of game players who dislike the shallowness of many other MMPOGs.

The extent of this proposal however is small in respect, thus the issue it challenges has been generally ignored. And yet, with deference to the random sociopath (sociopathic features include: grandiose sense of self, callousness, lack of empathy, "rarely in difficulty with the law, but seek out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired" [1]), in game "law enforcement" over reaction to game violations will have no encouraging effect and thus will only decrease player numbers if it has any effect at all. *** There is absolutely no rational reason to NOT temper CONCORDs reaction to first time offenders *** and in fact attention to details like these will only improve the encouragement players receive regardless of their level of experience.

What it comes down to is what type of and how many active players do you want in the game? Respect people and more will follow. No tutorial. Make the game fun.

This is a general attitude that should be maintained throughout the game's design, and although it was spurred by a relatively insignificant event, many other issues will fall under this proposal.

[1] http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_know_if_someone_is_a_sociopath#ixzz1hIUHRDdt
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-12-23 00:28:53 UTC
Get this through your very dense armored head.

CONCORD is doing exactly what its designed to do.

First time offenses are harmless and rather funny if at all abrupt and people learn very quickly what they can and cant do.

The punnishment as such is very small and hardly considered a dent to ones sec status let alone anything else.


What you propose here is so gradiose and preposterous that its nothing more than an insult more so than a troll.

Stop waisting your time and filling this thread with garbage.

If you can't read the warning messages or get click happy..the only thing wrong at that point is the person behind the keyboard.

Stop blaming ccp for human error initated on the part of the user.


TLDR: Adapt or die....or get out if you can't handle the consequences of your actions.


Case and Point - I once engaged a can flipper in my younger days in a hauler in the same corp as the victim...I got concord'd...but I ignored the window assuming it was just saying it because it was...and tha agression would open up to corp members in the same fleet.....never mind how or why...it didn't..and I paid the price.

You don't see me bitching about it....and you wont see anyone else doing the same.

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Thredd Necro
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-12-23 15:32:52 UTC
TL,DR:

Most ways to get concords attention come with warnings. Those warnings are there to allow you reconsider your choice, which frankly I think is very nice of CCP since they don't have to and really shouldn't have to.

Seriously, if I was at walmart and reached for a magazine and a warning box popped up that said, "If you attempt to read this magazine your head will explode", I would put the magazine back on the rack not flip to page three.Ugh

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. - Douglas Adams

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-12-23 16:34:35 UTC
lol...no...we all learned from CONCORD the hard way. Getting CONCORDOKKEN is how I figured out not to screw with CONCORD unless you want to lose your ship.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-12-24 04:34:50 UTC
It's really difficult to tank your sec status when you first start out. Hitting -0.01 isn't going to deny you access (or, more accurately, free passage) to any part of space. It's not a big deal.

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