Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I fly a Golem with 4 TPs. I would lose a tremendous amount of applied DPS if the TP bonus was swapped for a straight explosion radius bonus. With 4 PWNAGE TPs, I can multiply a target's sig by 3.56 times, thus allowing a Golem with Fury cruise missiles to one-shot non-elite NPC cruisers. (I dislike ammo switching.)


edit: Numbers Comparison here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kDTJF_8dUv-tCIvBHAfQAK7kbZQ9I4ZG5XwiNkgaY1A/edit?usp=sharing Basically, the 25% "rigor" bonus isn't enough make up for the loss of the TP bonus.


edit2: Looks like you would need a 33% "rigor" bonus to match the existing TP bonus.

To be fairly honest, you'd be better off suggesting they double the Golem's projection bonus and flip it into a torpedo-only bonus to help incentivize people to use torpedoes more than cruise missiles on ship that use to back in the day be what you would want if you wanted Torpedoes and left the CNR for Cruises.

Traits
Caldari Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
20% bonus to Torpedo max velocity (was 10% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo max velocity)
5% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity

Marauders bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Target Painter effectiveness
7.5% bonus to Shield Booster amount

Role bonus:
100% bonus to Tractor Beam range and velocity
70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay
Can fit Bastion modules
100% bonus to Heavy Missile, Cruise Missile and Torpedo damage

Point is, leave the TP bonus alone. I'll admit it's a bit of an odd-ball bonus, but it has a solid purpose on that ship. Also, and I don't mean to judge, but "armor tank on a Golem"? Really, dude?

At 118km (sensor range), I have a 56% change of hitting with a TP (63% with all Vs.) The odds of hitting with
1 TP: 56%
2 TP: 81% for 1+, 31% for 2 (81% to hit with one or more TPs, 31% to hit with both)
3 TP: 91% for 1+, 59% for 2+, 18% for 3
4 TP: 96% for 1+, 77% for 2+, 41% for 3+, 10% for 4

At 100km, I have a 72% chance to hit with a TP (77% with all Vs.) With 4 TPs, I have:
99% to hit with 1+,
93% to hit with 2+,
68% to hit with 3+,
27% to hit will all 4

Between the 84km falloff (90k with all Vs) and four TPs, it's not a big deal to shoot larger targets at extreme ranges while waiting for smaller targets to arrive (in the context of PvE.)

Plus, there's the MJD which means the Golem's TPs will almost always be in optimal anyway.



The 25% rigor bonus would be equivalent to a 33% TP, which is little better than a PWN TP. At best, you're saving 1 mid slot.


So while having a guaranteed rigor bonus would be nice, a 25% explosion radius hull bonus in place of the TP bonus would be an overall nerf.

What are you gonna do with those mid slots? Even more tank?

It is my opinion that TP bonus should stay on, but may including bonus to TP optimal/fallout range for cruise missile.

But I have no experience with pvp, so I have no idea what impact it can occur

Really, in my view, Golem was meaning to be Torp boat, such that Golem get strong TP to support torp damage application.

You're also assuming people fight at or under 100km ranges. I use the mjd pretty heavily and fight out past 200km with cruise exclusively so I don't get hit at all. Cruise missiles are great for this, and having a hull sig radius bonus is preferable in this situation since it, as has been said, applies at ALL ranges.

Now, I can attest to the viability of having multiple TPs work for a torp boat. That makes a good degree of sense at closer ranges since you want all that dps from torps to apply well. But having a straight hull bonus applies to all play styles, not just close-range torpedoes, and you can still fit TPs, even if they're unbonused in this situation.

All this talk of how it should be buffed, without stopping to think if it should be buffed. Sheesh.

Shuffling bonuses around maybe.

Requesting that a bonus be baked directly into a hull so you no longer need to use a slot of gain the effect, and then requesting that the now magically opened slot be moved to a place you would rather it be?

That's a flat out buff. And a very significant one at that.

To a ship which is already excellent.

My thoughts exactly. The old Golems use to be torp boats, and to some extent they still are. I'd be using torps right now, but they are far too **** poor in performance compared to cruises.

I just wish people would stop using Javelins to argue range so damn much, like that's a missile I should be happy with having to use. Yes, the range looks good (well, better than rage and faction torps), but not only is the application worse that cruise rage, you do less damage. Talk about torpedo rage and the damage goes up ~250 dps, but the application ***** even more and you can't even push 40km bastion off or 50km bastion on even with 6% imps and range rigs. Faction torps can give you another ten klicks, with better application, but it'll cost much more to use that t2 ammo. The fact that cruises can already one to two-shot pretty much anything besides battleships WITHOUT range even being a factor at all and with one to two less target painters kindo of kills it for me on torpedoes.

Plus, CCP took away the big ass shock wave effects long ago. No, they didn't behave like they should in real space, but they looked sexier than sin and to hell with real physics in Eve anyways.

Sorry, rant over.