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Reislier
#221 - 2015-03-25 15:20:05 UTC
I can reach through a hole in wall in dark and feel something warm, furry, and it moves.

What can be?

Maybe elephant.. or wolf.. a kitty.. my strange neighbor?

A few statistics and perceptions mean nothing.. turn on light.

Be nice. If nice not work, be civil. If civil not work, beat with iron pipe till bloody and still.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#222 - 2015-03-25 20:55:47 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
No, I am pointing to another hole in CCP Rise's stats.


For all your jaw flapping in this thread, you have not once pointed a hole in his stats.

So come on, bigmouth. If it's so "obvious", you won't have a problem laying it out for us.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#223 - 2015-03-25 21:54:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


That is why the social aspect of the game is so important. You learn new things and do new things by having friends..by making yourself a part of the Eve community rather than alienating it. War decs teach new and old player a new path and new possiblities in Eve. It teaches that there is a lot more to Eve than shooting red X's and rocks. There is a plethora of options and possibilies available to ALL players of Eve if they are willing to search themout and be a part of something bigger than manufacturing isk. The game is about community...it is about fun. If you spend all of your time playing to make isk, it's just like a job.

War is a part of life and a part of Eve. Little, if any, ever chose war. It is a fact of life and a fact of Eve every player needs to be prepared for. After all, you will not get stronger unless you face someone stronger. If your are risk averse, Eve may not be for you. To lose players that can't hack it in a game like Eve is not really a loss. To butcher the game to cater to those who can't hack it..is a loss. Twisted

Oh...and btw Veers...something special has happened. I'm sure you'll hear about it soon enough. I look forward to your shiptoasts about it...hehehe Lol


All wardecs do is encourage people to avoid players corps and stick to npc/1 man corps. How does that encourage social interaction? As CCP themselves admitted, the rational choice in highsec is to avoid being in a player corp. That is true even post-awoxxing, because of the constant threat of wardeccs.

I'm curious what this "special" thing is - any hints?


Avoiding war decs is risk averse behavior..which goes back to the point of Eve not being for everyone. I understand not everyone "wants" to PvP..but everyone need to be able to and be prepared to..especially if they want to protect their interests. So many of the risk averse players like to compare Eve to rl..which has no bearing...but, to take a page from that book...so will I. No one wants to get mugged or robbed. No one wants to be involved or a victim of a violent crime or war. But it happens. You either take the necessary precautions to lessen the risk, or there is no one to blame but yourself for your choice not to take action. It's been said a million times before and I'll say it again...If you're not prepared to protect your interests and what you have, you do not deserve to have it. The way of Eve and the way of life: Devour to survive...so it is...so it's always been.

No...no hints..I'm sure it will be quite clear soon enough. Lol

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Mag's
Azn Empire
#224 - 2015-03-25 21:58:21 UTC
This thread proves one thing, it's not just a river in Egypt.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#225 - 2015-03-25 22:00:25 UTC
Reislier wrote:
I can reach through a hole in wall in dark and feel something warm, furry, and it moves.

What can be?

Maybe elephant.. or wolf.. a kitty.. my strange neighbor?

A few statistics and perceptions mean nothing.. turn on light.

The carebears had a theorie that ganking or otherwise killing newbies is bad for player retention. They spew this nonsense every thread without a single clue if it is true or not. Now CCP tried to verify the carebear theory and the prediction they make about player retention...

And they did not get the results the carebear theory had predicted. In fact they got the complete oposite of the carebear prediction. This is s seriously strong indication that the carebear theory is wrong. Not even have they no data which supports their case, now there is even data against it. They never really had a strong case, but it is safe to say that it is completely falsified now

There is no need to interpret something into the data. It just means the carebears are wrong and they made wrong assumptions, which isn't really surprising for most of us content creators.

It is also not really surprising that some of them still don't get it. It's like CCP told them the easter bunny is not real, that probably hurts and the first reaction is denial. We also talking about a player group whos feelings get hurt by exploding spaceships in a game about exploding spaceships... it will probably take them a while to get over this revelation that they are wrong.

Evil RatKid
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#226 - 2015-03-25 22:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Reislier wrote:
I can reach through a hole in wall in dark and feel something warm, furry, and it moves.

What can be?

Maybe elephant.. or wolf.. a kitty.. my strange neighbor?

A few statistics and perceptions mean nothing.. turn on light.

The carebears had a theorie that ganking or otherwise killing newbies is bad for player retention. They spew this nonsense every thread without a single clue if it is true or not. Now CCP tried to verify the carebear theory and the prediction they make about player retention...

And they did not get the results the carebear theory had predicted. In fact they got the complete oposite of the carebear prediction. This is s seriously strong indication that the carebear theory is wrong. Not even have they no data which supports their case, now there is even data against it. They never really had a strong case, but it is safe to say that it is completely falsified now

There is no need to interpret something into the data. It just means the carebears are wrong and they made wrong assumptions, which isn't really surprising for most of us content creators.

It is also not really surprising that some of them still don't get it. It's like CCP told them the easter bunny is not real, that probably hurts and the first reaction is denial. We also talking about a player group whos feelings get hurt by exploding spaceships in a game about exploding spaceships... it will probably take them a while to get over this revelation that they are wrong.


Idk...history tells that it will just be spun in some other way to somehow suit their beliefs. Being in denial about being in denial is a powerful thing. You just can't make some people "get it" no matter how many times it's spelled out for them. Sad..but true. Somehow, no matter what facts are presented to them...carebears will continue to believe what has essentially been proven otherwise. Ugh

Wait...what? What do you mean the Easter bunny isn't real? What will I tell my children....since facts are unacceptable. Shocked

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#227 - 2015-03-25 22:44:38 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:

Idk...history tells that it will just be spun in some other way to somehow suit their beliefs. Being in denial about being in denial is a powerful thing. You just can't make some people "get it" no matter how many times it's spelled out for them. Sad..but true. Somehow, no matter what facts are presented to them...carebears will continue to believe what has essentially been proven otherwise. Ugh

Wait...what? What do you mean the Easter bunny isn't real? What will I tell my children....since facts are unacceptable. Shocked

Yeah, now they will probably tell us that it is completely different for newbros older than 15 days because that data will completely invert after the 15 days mark. Does not matter that nothing at all indicates such a radical change, IT HAS TO BE... THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!

Evil RatKid
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#228 - 2015-03-25 22:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
Wait...what? What do you mean the Easter bunny isn't real? What will I tell my children....since facts are unacceptable. Shocked

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"So we can believe the big ones?"

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#229 - 2015-03-25 22:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Kaely Tanniss wrote:
... risk averse behavior..which goes back to the point of Eve not being for everyone. I understand not everyone "wants" to PvP..but everyone need to be able to and be prepared to..especially if they want to protect their interests. ...
Sometimes if I know the ship type of an enemy, I will stay in a mining belt, aligned to a safe spot and wait for them.

Then when they land, I deliberately frustrate them and warp away.

I might re-ship and kill them or I might not but as long as I annoyed them then I got a little petty satisfaction, probably as much petty satisfaction as I think they should get out of an easy kill ... but then they wouldn't be so motivated, would they?

I also think people are entitled.
Why should I undock and fight random roamer #582 for the day? He didn't bring anything worth getting organised for and fighting. So much easier to ignore them and watch Youtube on the other computer. Time wasters.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#230 - 2015-03-26 03:06:51 UTC
In related news, Gevlon Goblin has cornered the mobile goalposts market.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#231 - 2015-03-26 03:42:46 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:


Avoiding war decs is risk averse behavior..which goes back to the point of Eve not being for everyone. I understand not everyone "wants" to PvP..but everyone need to be able to and be prepared to..especially if they want to protect their interests. So many of the risk averse players like to compare Eve to rl..which has no bearing...but, to take a page from that book...so will I. No one wants to get mugged or robbed. No one wants to be involved or a victim of a violent crime or war. But it happens. You either take the necessary precautions to lessen the risk, or there is no one to blame but yourself for your choice not to take action. It's been said a million times before and I'll say it again...If you're not prepared to protect your interests and what you have, you do not deserve to have it. The way of Eve and the way of life: Devour to survive...so it is...so it's always been.

No...no hints..I'm sure it will be quite clear soon enough. Lol


I fail to see how rewarding people for staying in npc/1 man corps is good for the game. It is good for making highsec boring, and getting people to quit - which explains the poor retention numbers.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#232 - 2015-03-26 04:57:00 UTC
i should start logging into themepark games' forums to start complaining that newbies are leaving the game in droves because i can't pk them
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#233 - 2015-03-26 05:00:30 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
i should start logging into themepark games' forums to start complaining that newbies are leaving the game in droves because i can't pk them


Oh, please do. Record it on a blog too, as an experiment.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#234 - 2015-03-26 05:07:34 UTC
the weatherman tells you it's going to be raining on tuesday evening, when you planned on going out

do you

a) send angry emails to the weather service complaining they must be wrong, asserting their analysis must be full of holes because the data wasn't presented on television in its entirety

or

b) bring an umbrella
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#235 - 2015-03-26 05:10:39 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
the weatherman tells you it's going to be raining on tuesday evening, when you planned on going out

do you

a) send angry emails to the weather service complaining they must be wrong, asserting their analysis must be full of holes because the data wasn't presented on television in its entirety

or

b) bring an umbrella


C. Stay home and drink.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#236 - 2015-03-26 10:15:02 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
i should start logging into themepark games' forums to start complaining that newbies are leaving the game in droves because i can't pk them
*Clutches you side ways and pans arm across the horizon out ahead of us dramatically, painting an landscape of the imagination.*
Imagine if there were two corporation boards, one for mercenaries and one for "white knights". Then when once corp / alliance contracts another, the white knight corp / alliance agrees or refuses to join a war defending a bunch of newbies. At the end of the war, the newbie corp gets to rate the white knight corp and leave a comment.

Just imagine giving the weak tools to get help? Shocking idea isn't it? Shocked

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#237 - 2015-03-26 12:13:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
the weatherman tells you it's going to be raining on tuesday evening, when you planned on going out

do you

a) send angry emails to the weather service complaining they must be wrong, asserting their analysis must be full of holes because the data wasn't presented on television in its entirety

or

b) bring an umbrella


C. Stay home and drink.


D. Dig a tunnel to your destination from your basement, which not only lets you go out while staying dry, it lets you avoid those pesky angry ex-girlfriends an/or their husbands with whom you may have had some disputes Twisted

D is how I do EVE Big smile
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#238 - 2015-03-26 12:14:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
the weatherman tells you it's going to be raining on tuesday evening, when you planned on going out

do you

a) send angry emails to the weather service complaining they must be wrong, asserting their analysis must be full of holes because the data wasn't presented on television in its entirety

or

b) bring an umbrella


C. Stay home and drink.


D. Dig a tunnel to your destination from your basement, which not only lets you go out while staying dry, it lets you avoid those pesky angry ex-girlfriends an/or their husbands with whom you may have had some disputes Twisted

D is how I do EVE Big smile


That reminds me of a children's book. Something about a fox and a trio of bad guys, one short, one fat, and one lean.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2015-03-30 18:35:09 UTC
Brave Newbies gets in a lot of fights and has one of the (if not THE) highest retention rate of the eve population group wise.
More proof combat win lose or draw boosts retention no matter what
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#240 - 2015-03-30 19:14:23 UTC
I wonder how many get "griefed out of the game" without actually being griefed. That is:
They are in their starter corp.
They talk to others about moving on.
Others tell them its not worth it. They say that once in a player corp, you are vulnerable to wars, or jerks in your new corp.
The new player stays in the NPC corp, socializing very little.
Eventually, they leave Eve.

They did not leave because of being griefed, they left because they did not want to be griefed.

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