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[ IAPETAN TITANS ] A sketch of the "First Titans" + Scale Context

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Sturmwolke
#21 - 2015-03-02 16:50:45 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Amendment: here's an image that shows the size of these things in comparison to current titans- it's comparing the Leviathan to a piece of wreckage labeled "omnya" in the game files- the last vestige of the Iapetans in the game Smile

Looks like they pre-designed the "omnya" and sized-up the model, oblivious to proper ship scaling.
Titan length protruding pylons? Frontal part doesn't even makes sense. It looks more like an oversized BS than a super-capital.
Caiman Graystock
Starways Congress
#22 - 2015-03-02 17:06:00 UTC
Surely the scale can’t be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).

One thing I suppose is ships of that size lend some credibility to reports of them having severe affects on planets when getting too close, which was always a confusing statement when linked to the current 20km~ titans.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2015-03-02 17:10:14 UTC
Caiman Graystock wrote:
Surely the scale can’t be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).

One thing I suppose is ships of that size lend some credibility to reports of them having severe affects on planets when getting too close, which was always a confusing statement when linked to the current 20km~ titans.

There aren't many (as far as we know) and presumably the empires keep them close to hand, otherwise you end like the gallente and handing out free mega-titans to the serpentis. According to the lore as well, they require materials of an entire moon to create and vast amounts of time. Vast amounts being vague enough for you to fill in the blanks with a believable amount. Also, not too unlike capsulaeer titans, they tend to act as deterrants rather then front-line ships (see the gallente deployment of their titans as a back up for the Caldari Prime battle).
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#24 - 2015-03-02 17:19:14 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Don't forget the Minmatar have been working on a project called "Sky Mother".
And page 164 of Templar One has a comment regarding the "plans" the elders have that implies they intend to use it.


This is one of those things I remember reading waaay back and it seems to have vanished.

Isn't the only hint given to Skymother's size that it required FOUR jump cores to be installed? Something like that.



There was an Eve Chronicle that mentions Sky Mother but I searched for a while yesterday and could not find it.

Towards the end of Templar One, Roden says to Shakor "Sky Mother is in trouble, isn't it?" (Meaning that the attempts of liberation by the Elders and the war may be getting in the way of the project).

It was page 264, not 164 of the book where the "plans" of the Elders were mentioned. "New Eden is dead to them" it was said.

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Christine Coirelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-03-02 17:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Christine Coirelle
Caiman Graystock wrote:
Surely the scale can’t be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).

They're sort of like nuclear missiles--you don't build an Iapetan to use it, you build an Iapetan to carefully and deliberately not use it.
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#26 - 2015-03-02 18:14:12 UTC
Agondray wrote:
A lot of those wrecks are from the before wormhole days.
Human ships back then were fully man and with the galaxy being full before eve, bigger ships = more people needed.
At this point in out current galaxy Eve does not have the crowding problem the home galaxy had, and fighters these days prefer much small ships, so even if something was built along those lines it'll be another glories yacht with guns.


No these were built by the current empires not the terrane. Anyway a ship that big would probably insta-collapse the EvE gate.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#27 - 2015-03-02 18:52:35 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


There was an Eve Chronicle that mentions Sky Mother but I searched for a while yesterday and could not find it.


This is probably the one you tried to find: Present Pieces

No idea what Skymother is, but could be an Iapetan Titan if you puzzle together the clues. So far, the Miamatar (Thukker) Iapetan Titans differ from the others in that they seem to be built more as a colossal city in space rather than being weapons of war (they're still a formidable powerhouse tho)

Regarding the Jove Titans, they are few in number (3 confirmed) and actually tiny, compared to our capsuleer titans (Jove Titans are 4 km across) Read more about the Jove Motherships (actual name) in their evelopedia article.

Last bit of advice, I've delved deep into the Titan lore & had to go digging into the very archeological depths of internet itself for certain screenshots & info.
In other words, Iapetan lore hasn't been looked into a very long time, so if CCP ever decides to do something with them again ingame, there will be undoubtedly things that differ from what they used to be. Latest Iapetan action was in a newsarticle where the Gallente federation readied it's Soltueurs in a border military exersize prior to the Caldari Prime battle.

That said, I'm a supporter of letting the Iapetan Titans keep their current air of mystery as long as CCP feels it's needed. Got to do something about the current state of capitals ingame before introducing something that can act like a station killer & fleet wiper.

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PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2015-03-02 19:25:09 UTC
Caiman Graystock wrote:
Surely the scale can’t be right? The time and resources needed to build ships on that scale would be obscene... and then for them to just disappear and not be used? Where are they? (from a lore POV).


The Amarrian ones drained an entire planet to make just two (as mentioned on the Titans EVE Wiki page) - but given that the Imud Hubrau is designed to keep the entire Amarr Empire running as well as operate as its mobile hq..

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Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
#29 - 2015-03-25 23:39:46 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
I wonder where they would fit on the spaceship size chart.

http://www.merzo.net/


They would compare favorably to V'ger of star trek fame, or the first death star.
d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-03-26 00:18:54 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
If anyone actually bother reading the lore, you will see references of the original titans being multiple times larger than our current titans. The cost was so astronomical in nearly bankrupted entire races, and the sizes were so massive that entire planets were affected by their gravity pull.


The current titans were built because they were small, cheap and MUCH more practical.

Also the Jove's have 3 motherships that are supposedly more powerful and MUCh smaller.... Think of them as current Titan size motherships with a MUCH better doomsday on it... ;)

Been around since the beginning.
beakerax
Pator Tech School
#31 - 2015-03-26 01:00:45 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Gallente Iapetan: Soltueur (original)

This class was designed and constructed during the end of the Caldari-Gallente war; they were mainly used for deterrence. In more modern times, Serpentis CEO Salvador Sarpati successfully hijacked one of these Iapetans, dubbed the FNS Molyneux, and escaped to Serpentis Prime.

The designers of the Gallente Titans promised so much in those early days, but in the end, they simply couldn't deliver.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2015-03-26 03:58:59 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


There was an Eve Chronicle that mentions Sky Mother but I searched for a while yesterday and could not find it.


This is probably the one you tried to find: Present Pieces

No idea what Skymother is, but could be an Iapetan Titan if you puzzle together the clues. So far, the Miamatar (Thukker) Iapetan Titans differ from the others in that they seem to be built more as a colossal city in space rather than being weapons of war (they're still a formidable powerhouse tho)

Regarding the Jove Titans, they are few in number (3 confirmed) and actually tiny, compared to our capsuleer titans (Jove Titans are 4 km across) Read more about the Jove Motherships (actual name) in their evelopedia article.

Last bit of advice, I've delved deep into the Titan lore & had to go digging into the very archeological depths of internet itself for certain screenshots & info.
In other words, Iapetan lore hasn't been looked into a very long time, so if CCP ever decides to do something with them again ingame, there will be undoubtedly things that differ from what they used to be. Latest Iapetan action was in a newsarticle where the Gallente federation readied it's Soltueurs in a border military exersize prior to the Caldari Prime battle.

That said, I'm a supporter of letting the Iapetan Titans keep their current air of mystery as long as CCP feels it's needed. Got to do something about the current state of capitals ingame before introducing something that can act like a station killer & fleet wiper.




Minmatar Sky Mother project remains to be a mystery. The only other reference to it comes from the end of Templar One where it's alluded to that the Sky Mother is "in trouble".
Earlier in the book, General Kintreb mentions that New Eden is "dead" to the Elders and his comment implies some long term plan for the Minmatar or perhaps certain tribes to leave.
That Roden was in the end having to game info on Sky Mother out of Shakor also suggests that the vast funds provided by the Federation are being appropriated for this project.

Long ago there was a thread on Hive Ships that had popularity. New space in wormholes and maybe for New Eden and Hive ships with changes to supers would certainly prevent the introduction of new space in the prospect of player built gates to be met with more than "meh, blue donut expands. back to grinding".

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Tristan Valentina
Moira.
#33 - 2015-03-26 04:30:58 UTC
I want to watch one of these smash a gate camp.

The explosions would be perfect!

New goal for the Goons make one of these.

Tristan
Alastair Ormand
Mine all the things
#34 - 2015-04-16 23:47:10 UTC
I want one.....

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-04-17 00:04:43 UTC
I love Uriel's threads.

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CCP Falcon
#36 - 2015-04-17 13:20:42 UTC
Nice analysis.

I've been talking to CCP t0rfifrans about putting together another book similar to EVE: Source and EVE: The Art Of New Eden that focuses solely on ships from a technical standpoint.

Titans would definitely be part of that.

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-04-17 17:08:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Nice analysis.

I've been talking to CCP t0rfifrans about putting together another book similar to EVE: Source and EVE: The Art Of New Eden that focuses solely on ships from a technical standpoint.

Titans would definitely be part of that.


Tell your boss to give the man a job, Falcon. Let him put together lore-based in-game events and storyline missions....

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2015-04-17 17:22:42 UTC
Never mind game balance. Just let us whack each other with those dongs already.

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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#39 - 2015-04-17 17:23:18 UTC
Wow - I remember the Caldari one. Shocked

So much prettier than current blob model. Sad

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Cade Windstalker
#40 - 2015-04-18 22:18:41 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Nice analysis.

I've been talking to CCP t0rfifrans about putting together another book similar to EVE: Source and EVE: The Art Of New Eden that focuses solely on ships from a technical standpoint.

Titans would definitely be part of that.


I'd love to see more exploration of the tech of New Eden. Really it's kind of amazing the empires haven't wiped each other out considering they have advanced Nano-tech, spacial compression, highly advanced cloning and bio-tech, readily available anti-matter, and plasma shielding, not to mention jump gates and hyper-drive tech just to name a few off the top of my head.

Exploring how the ships function with all of this available to them would be hugely interesting.


Also I'd just like to point out that if that size comparison in the OP is accurate, then a Iapetan Titan almost stretch the radius of a grid (around 220-230 KM in length for the one pictured) and the size is roughly equivalent to if the US launched Vermont into orbit!

If one crashed into an earth-like planet the back half would still be in space!

It wouldn't even fit on this chart!
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