Crime & Punishment

I disagree.

If we are going to retain them, we have to get to them in the first 15 days. I would have said noob training systems are early enough... But may have to travel to the spawn systems too if we are going to properly care for them.

You are the one that's forcing them to quit from neglect and boredom. I always entertain my noobs.
No

Rookie systems are not off limit for wars. We had these discussions a few time with CCP (including apologies etc).

Boy howdy! With this recent statistical debunking of carebear myths, CCP joins the elite groups generating massive carebear tears and butthurt.

Welcome to the club, CCP!

Just going to drop this in here.
TLDR: Correlation does not imply causation

Okay devil's advocate time: some of the new players who get ganked are ganked because it was very profitable to do so, meaning that they have unusual wealth for a new player, probably from plexing, showing an increased willingness to give CCP money, e.g. for subbing. The stats don't just show a get ganked -> stay in EVE causal link.

But almost everyone who stuck around has a positive story to tell that starts with adversity, and rats don't provide that.

See here is the problem the way I see it. Ganking should be less common than it is, but with all the new barriers around can flipping and war decs, it is now one of the most viable remaining high sec pvp options.

I think it is messed up that it's so hard to escalate a fight that it's now more efficient, in general, to just take the hit from concord.

I think CCP is confusing what makes Eve great.


Imagine Eve single player. Would you or anyone else play it?

In this sandbox, PVE is the sand. We have to interact with it, but it's just sand.

When you make a sand castle and I try to kick it over, we both feel something. That makes it interesting.

The game is in the interactions between real people. Preventing noobs from having meaningful or interesting interactions with other players is like making them play by themselves in the sandbox. No wonder they quit. They pay to play and get 2 weeks of doing boring stuff that's hard to learn.

The problem isn't that noobs are losing ships. The problem is that we think noobs losing ships is a problem. It is a core game function. It is an inevitable outcome of "fun."

Hell no.

New players who do that are idiots and are bad for the game anyways. (Good for ganker wallets though.)

At least RMTer's know what they are doing and the risks involved, even if they are worse than scum.

Is this something you've heard? Last I checked you had no clue about PvP nor do you partake in such fun. If you are going to try to insult someone, do it from a position of knowledge and experience..not hearsay and rhetoric.

completely false, of course. No way to wardecc npc or 1 man corps...no payment to concord will let you shoot at me...only way is by committing a crime.