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Looking Down: God's plans for his children

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Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#1 - 2015-03-21 05:57:46 UTC
Life is the expression of God. For those that believe in a god or many: The belief in higher power does not come naturally. It is that God is incomprehensible so it makes sense to believe in a creator.

When being dwarfed by another's shoes, such as a priest is drowned by his clothes or a child that puts on his fathers boots; Emulating your conceived ignorance is the fallacy to avoid.

In faith as an Amarr I was raised to worship in a supplicative manner. This instilled a sense of awe in the power of God at a young age.

I entertain the notion that structured religion is not for the youth to be too concerned about. While emulating my god I wanted slaves then to see how I would fare as the ruler and dictator over another. Just as I supplicate myself unto God, I wanted someone to supplicate themselves to me.

It wasn't until I was unable to free my childhood slaves in youth before they were executed that I realized I was not a god and had to think about that.

Emulating God will only lead to more depressing failures. I hope the Empire knows.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#2 - 2015-03-21 08:11:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
And the Lord spake, and said, Lo, my people,
Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven;
And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen,
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim,
Who serve Me as others shall serve you,
For all things under Me serve one higher;
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea;
As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf;
Yet all under Heaven serve Me;
So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens.

- Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#3 - 2015-03-21 09:18:21 UTC
You are correct, sir, we should not strive to emulate God's power, but only bow before His Divinity. Slave owners are not keeping their slaves purely for mastership, it is a sacred responsibility to care both physically and spiritually for slaves, and to teach them to devote their lives to His Will. Their slavery is as much as our slavery in that they are mastered by God and God alone over all. The slave owners are merely His Shepards, guiding these people to His Light through honest work and learning the scriptures.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-03-21 11:34:37 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
And the Lord spake, and said, Lo, my people,
Witness, for I have made the worlds of Heaven;
And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen,
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim,
Who serve Me as others shall serve you,
For all things under Me serve one higher;
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea;
As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf;
Yet all under Heaven serve Me;
So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens.

- Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21


From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity. Not an entity such as any you can conceive of, nor I; an entity more primordial than the elements themselves, yet constantly coming into existence even as it is destroyed. It is the Child of Chaos, the Pathway to the Next.

The darkness shall swallow the land, and in its wake there will follow a storm, as the appetite of nothing expands over the world.

From the formless void's gaping maw, there springs an entity.


Dr. Damella Macaper
The Seven Events of the Apocalypse

See, Cos, I can quote nonsense too!
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#5 - 2015-03-21 16:15:00 UTC
When this Amarr god manifests itself to me personally in my quarters and tells me that I've been doing things wrong for the past 38 years then maybe I'll listen. Until then, I'll keep my own counsel and do things as I see fit.

It doesn't matter to me that some of you want to believe in the Amarr god. It's none of my business to tell you what to believe. Just keep your nonsense away from me and stop using it as an excuse for genocide, racial supremacy, slavery, cultural imperialism and all the rest. We Matari, Gallente and Caldari have no desire to be ruled by your god nor become vassals of your empire.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-03-22 01:37:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
I am the child of my parents and no other. Believe what you like but don't demean my mother and father by attributing credit or blame for my existence to a being with as much proof of existence as the loot fairy.
Ed: actually I could argue more for the existence of the loot fairy than I ciuld for any deity since the loot fairy directly influences my income!

Damn me but typing is hard after several 'Mad Dogs'...
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-03-22 01:45:20 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
....We Matari, Gallente and Caldari have no desire to be ruled by your god nor become vassals of your empire.


I am ruled by no being and only truly respect someone who can make the perfect chocolate martini...

I may still be more Gallente than I realized...
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-03-22 14:28:23 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
When this Amarr god manifests itself to me personally in my quarters and tells me that I've been doing things wrong for the past 38 years then maybe I'll listen. Until then, I'll keep my own counsel and do things as I see fit.



He has been. You're not listening.

God doesn't work quite the way you seem to think He does. We are his agents in the galaxy. We, the faithful. So yes, Anabella, you have been doing it wrong the past 38 years. But it is not too late. Surrender unto Him.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Astera Zandraki
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-03-22 14:39:43 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


God doesn't work quite the way you seem to think He does. We are his agents in the galaxy. We, the faithful. So yes, Anabella, you have been doing it wrong the past 38 years. But it is not too late. Surrender unto Him.



I don't think Ms. Rella makes it a habit to surrender so easily, Mr. Mokk, nor do I.
Ottom Ephesianos
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#10 - 2015-03-22 14:58:51 UTC
Amarr god
Or God?

The God of Heaven and earth, The Great Creator?
Or the Amarr god emulating the characteristics of the true God?

Ask yourself is 38 years enough time to master another?

Is 1000 years a comparison to the incomprehensible age of God?

Never will there be a time that a follower of God has the time to be followed by a slave.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2015-03-22 15:25:13 UTC
Astera Zandraki wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:


God doesn't work quite the way you seem to think He does. We are his agents in the galaxy. We, the faithful. So yes, Anabella, you have been doing it wrong the past 38 years. But it is not too late. Surrender unto Him.



I don't think Ms. Rella makes it a habit to surrender so easily, Mr. Mokk, nor do I.



Nor I, but that's exactly the point. It's not supposed to be easy. We equate that level of surrender with slavery, because it is supposed to be just that difficult and that total. As the saying goes, "You can surrender without a prayer, but never really pray without surrender."

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#12 - 2015-03-22 23:04:15 UTC
I denounce your "God" and deny your authority. No one owns me.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-03-25 14:37:14 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
When this Amarr god manifests itself to me personally in my quarters and tells me that I've been doing things wrong for the past 38 years then maybe I'll listen. Until then, I'll keep my own counsel and do things as I see fit.



He has been. You're not listening.

God doesn't work quite the way you seem to think He does. We are his agents in the galaxy. We, the faithful. So yes, Anabella, you have been doing it wrong the past 38 years. But it is not too late. Surrender unto Him.


I've got some great mindflood for that...
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-03-25 14:46:55 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
I denounce your "God" and deny your authority. No one owns me.


Wait until you get married :D
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2015-03-25 15:17:51 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
When this Amarr god manifests itself to me personally in my quarters and tells me that I've been doing things wrong for the past 38 years then maybe I'll listen. Until then, I'll keep my own counsel and do things as I see fit.

It doesn't matter to me that some of you want to believe in the Amarr god. It's none of my business to tell you what to believe. Just keep your nonsense away from me and stop using it as an excuse for genocide, racial supremacy, slavery, cultural imperialism and all the rest. We Matari, Gallente and Caldari have no desire to be ruled by your god nor become vassals of your empire.


If you knew the truth about something you would share it. Don't pretend otherwise.

On the topic of the thread name I'd like to dispute it. We Amarrians are called to a slavery of our own device. Those who lead are bound to serve the smallest.

I like to think we don't look down but up toward enlightenment.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-03-25 15:40:03 UTC
Kithrus wrote:
...

I like to think we don't look down but up toward enlightenment.


Then give your slaves the choice to do the same, free them and allow them to look up towards enlightenment by their own choice. If they do not then where is the value in them doing so through forced servitude?
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-03-25 16:00:25 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Kithrus wrote:
...

I like to think we don't look down but up toward enlightenment.


Then give your slaves the choice to do the same, free them and allow them to look up towards enlightenment by their own choice. If they do not then where is the value in them doing so through forced servitude?


There are many things we are forced to do in life we do not like. Many people regard those who shrug off such things as weak or cowardly. The value is purification and character building.

But realistically releasing some thousand slaves doesn't do anyone good except generate a bunch of homeless which helps no one.

People have this misused vision of a fat holder whipping slaves in a field. While I do own vineyards sick abused slaves don't work well. Good treatment, day of rest and education and good food makes for a much more profitable, happy holding.

But that is bad for propaganda so what's a Matari rebel rousers supposed to do?

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-03-25 16:17:55 UTC
Kithrus wrote:

But realistically releasing some thousand slaves doesn't do anyone good except generate a bunch of homeless which helps no one.


I'll happily give your slaves freedom, work and education on my colonies, feel free to hand them over.

Kithrus wrote:

People have this misused vision of a fat holder whipping slaves in a field. While I do own vineyards sick abused slaves don't work well. Good treatment, day of rest and education and good food makes for a much more profitable, happy holding.

But that is bad for propaganda so what's a Matari rebel rousers supposed to do?


So good of you to want profitable holdings instead of paying free people a fair wage for a fair days work. As for the misused vision you paint how exactly do you treat your slaves if they don't do as they are told? Humanely beat them in some prescribed manner no doubt.

By the way I'm neither a Matari or a rebel rouser, I merely asked why you do not give those you enslave the same chance and option to raise themselves up in the eyes of your God as you yourself have. If they do not freely choose to be in the position you keep them in how can anything they do prove their worth?