Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think something that the OP should clarify as a VERY good point to adding this is range.

The target painting bonus on the golem reaches out pitifully short compared to its max cruise missile range, so having it be bonused to the ship rather than as a separate module not only allows for better ranged damage application, you get a free mid or two out of the deal.

I honestly don't see why anyone is up in arms over this. It's a good idea and would be a reasonable change to the ship. +1

I thought it was a given that the 25% explosion radius bonus was a negative value...

personal preference here as always but 4 bcu's stacked is not really maximizing. This for any damage mod imo...I don't run more than 3 gyro, mag stab, etc either. Factor in stacking penalty....I generally find a more support-ish mod a better drop in overall.

Why not digging the 1 mid slot for the low. Being nice and tp is removed for your bonus there'd be quite a few mods that would be better off long run if mids stayed the same. Sebo res scripted comes to mind. Faster locks, faster to get targets to fire. Hell...tp. With the boost to missile TP unbonused even after the change would be of more help. Helps your drones kill frig rats faster at any rate.


Well that and ccp tried this trick (well similar slot shifting modification) with scorpion and it didn't make it get much better really. TBH I'd be happier if my 2nd utility high slot was given back and it dropped the new low slot it got. As I found when not jamming my scorpion was pretty decent as a ghetto logi if fit hit the shan (cap booster required for this ofc). What i used the old 2 utility highs for. 1 hull, 1 armour RR. I know from a few runs I was of more use repping peeps than trying to be a dps dealer.

I'm kinda curious how you imagine you could build an effective armor tank out of that without further reducing the DPS that you're already whining about. Last I checked, two modules, allowing that the 5% reduction in DPS by dropping one BCU is acceptable, did not make an effective armor tank.

Yes, apparently I touched a nerve... I give up. I didn't realize it was heresy to suggest changes to the Golem.


I appreciate the vote of support. At least someone sees where I was trying to go with this...


Or expanded capacitor booster, etc. I amended the OP with your suggestion (thanks).

Not a fan of changing the Golem EXCEPT with the possibility of addressing what Catherine mentioned, that is the disparity in ranges of TP's and cruise missiles. I've used my Golem for PvE a lot and, while torps can be cool, I have never fitted a single torp launcher to my Golem. The combo of range and application issues plaguing them precludes their use, at least in my opinion, for anything other than SB's or the ever glorious structure grind. This means that, obviously, my Golem makes use of cruise missiles and I have, on rare occasion, noticed the effect of the relatively short TP range. Thus, I do not think it would be entirely out of line to modify the TP bonus to include a range increase as well, nothing stupid but ~10% might not be the worst thing to happen. Also, I just want to mention, that long range cruise missile travel time IS NOT A FUN FEATURE. Missiles are fleet weapons, they're best when they have people working together to maximize their effect, and using long range cruise missiles in a fleet situation can be an exercise in throwing ISK out the space-porthole as you watch your missiles almost hit before you lose lock because the gun boats killed it from the same range instantly.
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I personally like using torpedoes on my Golem. I prefer the faster rate of fire and damage application is almost as good as cruise missiles. I think the damage application for torpedoes could be improved, but as they're also closely tied to Stealth Bombers, I'm not entirely sure how much can be changed.

You should go for a signal amp instead of that 4th bcu (assuming it would get a 5th low in this instance). I run this setup for my raven and along with two sebos it shoots and targets out past 200km.

Also needs to consider some other things...

For scorps you get armour mod stack penalty if you boost the armour aspect. Assume vanilla tank setup of 2 X 1600, EANM II and DCU....a type specific will not be so great with stack penalty. Stack penalty gets real fun if armour rigs on boat as well. had one like this as one home snuck an armour rig on the fleet spec. Did not feel any "safer" in it tbh.

jam mods will stack penalty with jam rigs (usually ran with them).

that and I was mentored under more rigid mindsets...either tank by jam mods or tank by armour (rig only jam boosting). Mix the 2, you get a mix that tends to lack all around. Go 1 strict setup...you at least do 1 thing passably.

But that's me again being not liking stacking penalty mindset and looking for better all around options.

Case of his golem idea....I see too much good going on with an extra mid really to not warrant the shift to low. Golem not needing TP would scream passive resist amp heavy fit to me really. Bit of a stacking penalty but if DC hits they won't shut off if you can't login before bastion cycle runs out. In this case I will risk being a hypocrite and say stacking penalty is okay here. But for a good technical reason.

Had a recent bout with CCP's mac os client being rather unreliable past few patches back. I got the mysterious crashes of doom many had. CCP fixed them it seems (yay for you CCP, good job btw)...but what about the next patch or mac's next OS revision says the paranoia I have from many years as an IT professional lol. I fear the DC active hardener shutoff of doom more than stacking penalty in this exception.

I'd give him his TP bonus change tbh...but slots stay the same my caveat here the take away.

You lost all your free credibility in my eyes when you complained that you have to micro manage target painters. It's pretty clear you're a lazy mode player that wants easy mode farming.

Please stop trying to take a dump on a wonderful ship.