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Petition: Remove Slaves from the SCC Markets.
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Astrial Stargazer
Doomheim
#161 - 2015-03-25 14:42:27 UTC
Signed.

I have signed this petition in the hope that it might get some lazy or sloth like politician off of its rump and do their job. I was born a slave and through the kindness of others I was blessed to released from that former life. Even though I am a proud member of the Angel Cartel I do not condone illegal slave trade in any form. I have on numerous occasions freed slaves when it was possible. Maybe I am the exception and not the norm in this life, but I will continue to do so when I can. But slavery will never go away no matter how hard someone tries to denounce it, best we can hope for is that it be regulated and overseen by proper authorities and not just put in a dark corner and forgotten.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#162 - 2015-03-25 14:47:45 UTC
Astrial Stargazer wrote:
Signed.

I have signed this petition in the hope that it might get some lazy or sloth like politician off of its rump and do their job. I was born a slave and through the kindness of others I was blessed to released from that former life. Even though I am a proud member of the Angel Cartel I do not condone illegal slave trade in any form. I have on numerous occasions freed slaves when it was possible. Maybe I am the exception and not the norm in this life, but I will continue to do so when I can. But slavery will never go away no matter how hard someone tries to denounce it, best we can hope for is that it be regulated and overseen by proper authorities and not just put in a dark corner and forgotten.


Ah. You should probally tell your Alliance that they cannot claim systems owned by the Amarr Empire such as the Saikamon System.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#163 - 2015-03-25 14:48:34 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
I abstain from commitment toward either decision - choosing to waive that right entirely - as to not become involved in matters of other cultures; that I may feel free to ask them not to become involved in matters of mine.


Good choice.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#164 - 2015-03-25 15:07:44 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships.


If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets.

Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade.


I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us).



Didn't you JUST make a ******* thread about how the Intaki should be liberated?
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#165 - 2015-03-25 15:10:18 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Also, consider that there are many Capsuleers who fight for the Empire who make a living off of the Slave Trade, and also threw Slave Labor among our ships.


If those capsuleers are not Holders, then they have no right to own slaves. And if they are Holders, then they can trade or purchase slaves directly between themselves or at planetside slave markets.

Amarr has not needed, and does not need, foreign-controlled markets like the SCC involved in our slave trade.


I never spoke of the SCC, but I did speak of the Slave Trade. We do have right to hold slaves. We are primary suppliers of slaves due to our pillaging and raiding (for some of us).



Didn't you JUST make a ******* thread about how the Intaki should be liberated?


I was wondering when someone was going to catch that. The Intaki are advanced, they will prosper if they are free, make peace, alliances, benefit the galaxy. The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#166 - 2015-03-25 15:11:24 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:

Ah. You should probally tell your Alliance that they cannot claim systems owned by the Amarr Empire such as the Saikamon System.


Oh come on now. Aren't we great neighbours, hm? Feel free to stop by for tea and mindflood, in any case.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#167 - 2015-03-25 15:14:27 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Are you Amarr always going to stand behind your religion as a shield for everything thing you do?


Scriptural law is the only law that matters. If you are not serving God then you are not serving Amarr, regardless of your declared loyalties.

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Threw joining the Militia Toralen Industries has technically become a part of the Amarrian Empire, along with the rest of the militia. We are not paid in ISK, but in rewards for our loyalty. May I remind you that the Militia is known as the 24th Imperial Crusade, a recognized and large part of the Ministry of War?


Your corporation is a privateer organization, granted bounties for combat action against enemies of the Empire by the 24th Imperial Crusade. The fact that the bounty comes in the form of assets instead of isk is irrelevent. We are all independent paramilitary contracters. You are not a member of the Amarr Navy, you are not a professional military officer. If you were a professional military officer, you would be held to exacting restrictions and regulations and would not be permitted to join or leave on a whim. You would only be provided equipment as needed to do your duty, not given it as prize money.

Considering how many blood raiders and godless foreigners have infested the 24IC to exploit it for their own benefit, Amarr would be much better off without the militia. The Amarr Navy should be the ones prosecuting the war.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#168 - 2015-03-25 15:18:45 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
Are you Amarr always going to stand behind your religion as a shield for everything thing you do?


Scriptural law is the only law that matters. If you are not serving God then you are not serving Amarr, regardless of your declared loyalties.

Quote:
Threw joining the Militia Toralen Industries has technically become a part of the Amarrian Empire, along with the rest of the militia. We are not paid in ISK, but in rewards for our loyalty. May I remind you that the Militia is known as the 24th Imperial Crusade, a recognized and large part of the Ministry of War?


Your corporation is a privateer organization, granted bounties for combat action against enemies of the Empire by the 24th Imperial Crusade. The fact that the bounty comes in the form of assets instead of isk is irrelevent. We are all independent paramilitary contracters. You are not a member of the Amarr Navy, you are not a professional military officer. If you were a professional military officer, you would be held to exacting restrictions and regulations and would not be permitted to join or leave on a whim. You would only be provided equipment as needed to do your duty, not given it as prize money.

Considering how many blood raiders and godless foreigners have infested the 24IC to exploit it for their own benefit, Amarr would be much better off without the militia. The Amarr Navy should be the ones prosecuting the war.


And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#169 - 2015-03-25 15:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
Quote:


And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State.


That's true for the Khanid Kingdom not the empire itself. You have been allied to the Empire via proxy.

However as a Khanid holder thank you for your continued support!

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#170 - 2015-03-25 15:56:02 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State.


It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#171 - 2015-03-25 16:29:14 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:


Considering how many blood raiders and godless foreigners have infested the 24IC to exploit it for their own benefit, Amarr would be much better off without the militia. The Amarr Navy should be the ones prosecuting the war.


I know, it's awful isn't it?
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#172 - 2015-03-25 16:35:49 UTC
Dailar Toralen wrote:
The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war.

For some reason, I seem to hate you now....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#173 - 2015-03-25 16:40:04 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war.

For some reason, I seem to hate you now....



The guy has the shittest ideals that make no sense...how could you not dislike him?
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#174 - 2015-03-25 16:52:54 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war.

For some reason, I seem to hate you now....



The guy has the shittest ideals that make no sense...how could you not dislike him?

To be honest, if that were my only criteria for liking people, I'd hate just about everyone. He woulda' had a shot at redemption, but the unnecessary, Diana Kim - like statement killed it.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Dailar Toralen
Toralen Industries
#175 - 2015-03-25 17:01:47 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war.

For some reason, I seem to hate you now....



The guy has the shittest ideals that make no sense...how could you not dislike him?


I just have ideas that people tend not to say because they don't wanna be shot down by people like you and joecuster.

We are Toralen Industries. It doesn't matter if you fight for money, idealogies, or because it's what you are good at and it doesn't matter if you fight threw trade, combat, or diplomacy. No matter what or how you fight, there's a place for you.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#176 - 2015-03-25 20:21:32 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State.


It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting.


I am pretty sure that all the citizens of Devoid and the Bleak Lands will agree with that assessment, once conquered by the TLF, backed by freelancers.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#177 - 2015-03-26 03:06:37 UTC
Absolutely signed. The current system is both detrimental to the upholding of Imperial law and encourages the trade of illegal slaves; I think this is a rare case in which all four of the empires can absolutely agree something should be done.
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#178 - 2015-03-26 03:36:02 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
Absolutely signed. The current system is both detrimental to the upholding of Imperial law and encourages the trade of illegal slaves; I think this is a rare case in which all four of the empires can absolutely agree something should be done.


Hey look, a holder I can have a shred of respect for!
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#179 - 2015-03-26 03:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Samira Kernher wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State.


It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting.


It is always better to win. And many of your people agree with me - from the MIO to the Imperial Family the godless heathens and worse that you have been so vocal in opposition to are now celebrated as decorated Imperial war heroes.

I find it particularly interesting that the 24th Imperial Crusade has decided that my service and that of my thrice-notorious kirjuun is equally pleasing in the eyes of the Empress. Whilst your officers can't get through a simple dinner without spitting on their allies and won't even let you fly in the same organisation as their august selves, the Crusade deems us fit to fly in the same militia, occupy the same ranks and even awarded us the same medal as pure-blooded Amarrians.

Does that sting a little?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#180 - 2015-03-26 13:30:10 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Dailar Toralen wrote:
And where would your Empire be without us, hm? You would have lost the war already, and destroyed without the State.


It is better to lose with grace than to win without. God will look upon those whose victory was carried by the lies of the Deceiver, and He will find them wanting.


It is always better to win. And many of your people agree with me - from the MIO to the Imperial Family the godless heathens and worse that you have been so vocal in opposition to are now celebrated as decorated Imperial war heroes.

I find it particularly interesting that the 24th Imperial Crusade has decided that my service and that of my thrice-notorious kirjuun is equally pleasing in the eyes of the Empress. Whilst your officers can't get through a simple dinner without spitting on their allies and won't even let you fly in the same organisation as their august selves, the Crusade deems us fit to fly in the same militia, occupy the same ranks and even awarded us the same medal as pure-blooded Amarrians.

Does that sting a little?

Why would it? You see, even a little piece of wool from a bald defective sheep is good enough, so you might as well pat it for a job well done.
So job well done dear contractor, thank you for all the hard work you did.

Ou and one more thing, when did this happen "... agree with me - from the MIO ... "?