EVE General Discussion

You weren't making a point, you were trying to sound 'pithy' and 'wise' on an spaceship forum lol. If you like to make a point, go ahead, I'm not stopping you.

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Essentially, CCP Rise gets up on stage and says, "Look at these poorly constructed statistics."

The problem being that there are so many obvious holes in it, before the data was collected, that we have to wonder what else is going on in the offices.

"Go ahead and point out some of those "obvious" holes. "

One huge one:-

15 days seems a bit of a suspect sample point to me, sub duration is 30days, minimum. Speaking just for me I would be more likely to let the sub run it's course to 30 days than actively cancel at 15.
Various factors:-
I paid my sub, might as well not waste the money.
>effort<
Does CCP cancel the account immediately and refund the difference in playtime, or let the sub run to 30 days/charge the full amount?
Maybe I would be inclined to give it another go in the 30 days after cooling down, if I rage-quit a session.
If the playtime was plex funded, the sub is fixed at 30 days. (are plex even considered as subs in the data?)

probably the simplest way to phrase this is that ccp is an authority, considering we're never going to have access to the information ccp does

it's a formal fallacy but it's a strong enough premise in real-life practical thinking

Spaceship violence is an integral part of what EVE Online is. If people don't like spaceship violence, or don't want it, then EVE is not for them, it's really that simple.

Makes sense. Most noobs are probably going to stay in the NPC corp for the first two weeks and fiddle around with the noob missions and Sisters arc. So most won't get wardeced. And most 2 week old noobs won't be worth ganking.

I suspect some of those legally killed noobs are actually alts of established players who are trying out new things, joining RvB, faction warfare, etc.

Most two week old noobs who quit probably do so because they find the game boring or can't find any yellow exclamation marks telling them what to do. Players leaving due to ganks and wardecs and such are likely older players who have been repeatedly "victimized" and get fed up. At least that's been my experience with some high sec carebear corps I've had characters in. They've all fallen apart after the CEO finally figures out they don't like the game/players and quits.

rise said they're not alts, they're users in their first fifteen days in eve

30 days is nothing yes, to those of us that subscribe to the game and get hooked on it.

But CCP have been trying to find out why 50% of new players leave within the first month. Until recently, that basically meant 50% of new players didn't advance beyond the trial period of 15 days.

One argument often thrown around in the community is that new players don't stay in the game because they are griefed out of it.

So CCP went looking to try to validate that claim, at least for that 50%.

So far, every time CCP have written something on it, they have been clear in the view that they aren't able to validate that claim at all.

That's what those statistics show. That the 50% of new players that leave within the first month are not leaving because of ganks.

There appears to be no substance to the claim that new players are being griefed out of the game, over the time period that CCP were interested in looking at.

i haven't seen any statistics for three days now. when i close my eyes, i see graphs on the inside of the lids

i need some percentages or i might lose my mind. who do i have to sleep with

When people like James315 are posting articles about how their antics dont cause new players to quit, its important to fixate on how flawed it is to connect this data to that conclusion. Is James talking about 15 day old players? He's responding to his critics, the critics that say griefers makes players that can fly freighters, exhumers and Ravens quit. "It just goes to show 15 day old characters dont quit because of griefing" is a cover for the real intentions... defending griefing players in highsec that are older than 15 days.

Thats the real intellectual dishonesty here. Pretending this whole thing isnt a stealth, "lalalala wardeccing corps for 3 months and humiliating people's mains on a troll blog doesnt cause them to quit lalalala"



Good job, proving my point above. "There is a lack of evidence suggesting players killed in their first 15 days quit over it" in your mind suggests "highsec griefing does not cause players to quit". Are you religious by any chance?


This really applies to you more than anyone else here when it comes to pretty much every topic of discussion.


Thats funny, just a moment ago you said there is no conclusive evidence. Now suddenly its become the truth?
Can you see your own dishonesty staring you in the eye?

Do you want to know why people think what they think about griefing? Experience. You join a corp, and you watch as player after player gets frustrated with the griefing and quits. You watch CODE troll some regular in local and he never logs on again. You know for a fact in your experience a dozen players have quit over this. Then you meet a new friend, and they tell you that they also know a dozen players that quit over it. And that they know people that also say they know a dozen people that have quit over it. Why dont you talk to highsec carebears and see for yourself. You wont find anyone whos been around for awhile who couldnt give you a list of players that either stated they quit over griefing, or never logged in again after a bad experience. The anecdotal evidence is plenty.

But you want to sit alone in the far reaches of space, running sites like a hermit, pretending you have any clue what goes on in a community youre not a part of. Okay.