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Explain the CONCORD for me please...
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Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-21 19:14:32 UTC
I´m sure there is some mechanic I am misunderstanding here, so if someone could explain this to me, it would be much appreciated.

I just attacked an outlaw (orange flashy for me) in high sec space. As soon as I scrammed him, he went neutral on my overview, and CONCORD arrived to stomp me. As soon as my ship popped, he was immediately orange flashy again. So what happened here? I was not playing can-baiting games or remote repair shenanigans. Just attacked an outlaw while passing through and got CONCORDOKKENed for it.

What mechanic am I missing here, so I can avoid this happening again?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#2 - 2011-12-21 19:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
Flashy Orange does not mean you can attack without fear of reprisal. Assuming you are using default settings, I believe only flashing red is allowed.

In other words, you attack someone that is viewed as potentially dangerous, but not officially an enemy.

Oh and to explain the mechanic in simplest terms, if the system security is .5 or higher, unless the person is a war target or has can flipped you, do not attack them. If they have can flipped you, you should probably still not attack them.
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-12-21 19:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigdis Thorisdottir
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Flashy Orange does not mean you can attack without fear of reprisal. Assuming you are using default settings, I believe only flashing red is allowed.

In other words, you attack someone that is viewed as potentially dangerous, but not officially an enemy.


My overview is set up to show outlaws flashy orange. Not default settings. Regular low-status folks are still the default yellow solid. Under default this person would have been flashing red.
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-12-21 19:26:49 UTC
FFS! this type of thread again, do a forum search scrub!

There is NO SUCH THING as flashy orange. Orange means he has a sec status below 0 as in negative.

Flashy red is only a WAR TARGET. In other words a corp member that is at war against your corporation will appear flashy red on your overview.

If the pilot has a sec status below 4.99 they will appear RED on your overview, but NOT flashy red. This still means you can shoot him without concord intervening because he is an outlaw. Do it because the NPC faction navy is also after that pilot.

If its red, its dead.
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-21 19:30:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigdis Thorisdottir
Jason McCoy wrote:
FFS! this type of thread again, do a forum search scrub!

There is NO SUCH THING as flashy orange. Orange means he has a sec status below 0 as in negative.

Flashy red is only a WAR TARGET. In other words a corp member that is at war against your corporation will appear flashy red on your overview.

If the pilot has a sec status below 4.99 they will appear RED on your overview, but NOT flashy red. This still means you can shoot him without concord intervening because he is an outlaw. Do it because the NPC faction navy is also after that pilot.

If its red, its dead.


I don´t have outlaws set to red flashy, they are orange flashy on mine to differentiate them from our war targets. OUTLAW is the only state on my overview that shows up as orange flashy.

People below 0 sec-status are still solid yellow for me.

edit, Double checked and everything is still showing correctly, normal folks below 0.0 are still solid yellow, only state that is orange flashy is OUTLAW: (on my overview, priorities are set properly too)
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-21 19:32:56 UTC
Well something is not right in your overview settings because you attacked an outlaw and got concordokened, which does not make sense.

Did this happen a long time ago or what?

Post up the pilot here to see his sec status.
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-12-21 19:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigdis Thorisdottir
Status is 2.3

Can only assume he took somebody´s can loot, or repped someone...WTF why would he show up outlaw to me for that???

Whatever, time to hit the gym.
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-12-21 19:42:55 UTC
If he was a thief to your corp yes he would be an outlaw only to your corp and you could have attacked without any reprisal.

A bug perhaps?


Dunno your story does not add up, yet you decided to come here and complain.
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-21 21:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigdis Thorisdottir
Well I filed a petition to figure out what happened.
Dztrgovac
#10 - 2011-12-21 21:43:54 UTC
Raises hand.

Excuse me, but flashy orange is default setting for "pilot is at war with my militia". So yes it exists.
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-21 22:01:03 UTC
So in other words, you changed your overview settings without knowing what the heck you were doing, and got spanked because you screwed up.

Working as intended. kthxbye
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-12-21 22:08:04 UTC
Jack Traynor wrote:
So in other words, you changed your overview settings without knowing what the heck you were doing, and got spanked because you screwed up.

Working as intended. kthxbye


Nope, overview settings are good to go. Blown up plenty of outlaws, never had one turn neutral after the scram, then flashy again after a concord (immediately).
Jason McCoy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-21 22:08:43 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
Raises hand.

Excuse me, but flashy orange is default setting for "pilot is at war with my militia". So yes it exists.
Not as a default setting which is what I was basing my reply on.

Jack Traynor wrote:
So in other words, you changed your overview settings without knowing what the heck you were doing, and got spanked because you screwed up.

Working as intended. kthxbye
Exactly my point.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-23 21:08:44 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't outlaws in pods and shuttles not valid targets?
Yet they still show up as flashy red by default (and flashy orange to you?)

This is to allow people with low sec status to transit high sec space safely?
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#15 - 2011-12-23 21:45:47 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't outlaws in pods and shuttles not valid targets?
Yet they still show up as flashy red by default (and flashy orange to you?)

This is to allow people with low sec status to transit high sec space safely?

Outlaws are free fire. Pod or whatever. If they are -5, you can kill em over and over in whatever they fly, be it a 1B BS or a 1B pod.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#16 - 2011-12-23 22:10:33 UTC
Jason McCoy wrote:


If the pilot has a sec status below -4.99 they will appear RED on your overview, but NOT flashy red. This still means you can shoot him without concord intervening because he is an outlaw. Do it because the NPC faction navy is also after that pilot.

If its red, its dead.


fix'd
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#17 - 2011-12-23 22:54:06 UTC
Don't set up your overview in stupid ways.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-12-24 00:28:43 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
Raises hand.

Excuse me, but flashy orange is default setting for "pilot is at war with my militia". So yes it exists.

Wrong.
Flashy ORANGE is not the same as yellow...
Depending on how overview is setup, yellow could just mean that they have bad standings with you or if you aren't in an NPC corp, your corp/alliance.
Default is yellow = sec status below 0. This is not the same as outlaw and shootable in high sec...
Jorn Isu
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-25 00:23:11 UTC
If he had stolen from your corp, and the 15 minute timer expired at the same instant as you locked and fired (unlikely but possible), this would make sense, and you'd be a hilariously unlucky sod.
Jes Visuit
Private Investment Holdings Inc
#20 - 2011-12-25 00:38:10 UTC
Jorn Isu wrote:
If he had stolen from your corp, and the 15 minute timer expired at the same instant as you locked and fired (unlikely but possible), this would make sense, and you'd be a hilariously unlucky sod.


no it wouldn't, because if that is the case his target wouldn't have gone back to flashy orange.
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