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Opinions on droneboats
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Syrilian
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-03-24 18:35:27 UTC
As a newbie who is currently training to fly droneboats with the goal of flying an ishtar with the understanding it is one of the best drone boats in the game, is this still a sound strategy with the nerf?

I realize there are no right or wrong answers when it comes to ships usually but I am curious about yall's opinion.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-24 18:37:07 UTC
I have never flew Ishtar for my purposes.
Rattlesnake/Gila for the win!

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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#3 - 2015-03-24 18:47:34 UTC
The ishtar is still viable in PvP and PvE. As versatile and over powered as before? Nope, but still viable.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#4 - 2015-03-24 18:54:43 UTC
In regards to the Ishtar, I think it largely depends on what your goals are in EVE and how patient you're willing to be (Sentry IIs take a while).

As for your original question, good drone skills are invaluable in just about every combat situation in the game (PVE or PVP) and as has been mentioned, there are other very fine drone boats beside the Ishtar. So, as a general answer to your generic question, yeah, drone ships are very cool and fun to fly. My follow up is, what do you intend to do with the Ishtar once you get it trained? PVE? PVP? Exploration?

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Syrilian
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-03-24 18:57:12 UTC
Solomar Espersei wrote:
In regards to the Ishtar, I think it largely depends on what your goals are in EVE and how patient you're willing to be (Sentry IIs take a while).

As for your original question, good drone skills are invaluable in just about every combat situation in the game (PVE or PVP) and as has been mentioned, there are other very fine drone boats beside the Ishtar. So, as a general answer to your generic question, yeah, drone ships are very cool and fun to fly. My follow up is, what do you intend to do with the Ishtar once you get it trained? PVE? PVP? Exploration?



PVP mostly doing FW and plexing.
Orlacc
#6 - 2015-03-24 21:48:43 UTC
Then Ishtar. Gila is viable too. Not a Rattlesnake.

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Paranoid Loyd
#7 - 2015-03-24 21:56:17 UTC
Don't dismiss the VNI, especially since you can get them at a discount with your LPs if you stick to FW for a while.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-03-24 21:58:41 UTC
My favorite droneboat so far is the Rattlesnake.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#9 - 2015-03-25 11:24:12 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Don't dismiss the VNI, especially since you can get them at a discount with your LPs if you stick to FW for a while.


and i hear they hull tank really well, making them the ultimate in manliness.
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#10 - 2015-03-25 11:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Iroquoiss Pliskin
Syrilian wrote:
goal of flying an ishtar

...I realize there are no right or wrong answers


Keep telling yourself that. Big smile

Ishtar. This is Ishtars Online. Can solo any faction any 10/10 Plex or any other dungeon, mission or instance while semi-AFK with 101% efficiency... while using a shield tank that is superior to any Minmatar boat - Gallente the prime master shield race /confirmed. Nanoggaf most ships solo, project 750 DPS to 100km without even fitting for it. Get jammed and laugh at it. Get neuted and... You're never neuted. Set orbit to 27km, buy Republic Fleet Disruptor and make coffee while rekking. Fit oversized 100MN AB, full tank and 3 damage mods, then moonwalk out of any hairy situation. Fitting Warp Core Stabs is an option - With increased locking times, you'll simply enjoy the soothing travel trajectory of your ship, as you enter orbit, gently. Enemy fleet switched doctrine ships? Not a problem, pick another sentry set during your morning breakfast. Zealots and Eagles smoke sentry fire, as they look for a nearby University to purchase a Gallente Cruiser skillbook. Scrap that - no one flies those since 2006. Track frigates with medium and heavy drones like there's no tomorrow. Transversshuuul, radiul orc/second, what? Leave that to the turret peasants. Unlike missiles, drones always catch you. Practically. Gila wished it could be an Ishtar, but it can't. Stratios is an Ishtar in reverse, thus not an Ishtar. VNI has more sentry DPS than an Ishtar, but Ishtar is an Ishtar, hence VNI can't have more sentry DPS than an Ishtar.

Working as intended.

☐ Eve Online ☑ Ishtars Online

// [PvP Damage Done by Class (Scylla)] //

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Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#11 - 2015-03-25 14:13:25 UTC
@iroquis
can you give me this ishtar? Must be an upgraded version of mine.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#12 - 2015-03-25 16:29:15 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Syrilian wrote:
goal of flying an ishtar

...I realize there are no right or wrong answers


Keep telling yourself that. Big smile

Ishtar. This is Ishtars Online. Can solo any faction any 10/10 Plex or any other dungeon, mission or instance while semi-AFK with 101% efficiency... while using a shield tank that is superior to any Minmatar boat - Gallente the prime master shield race /confirmed. Nanoggaf most ships solo, project 750 DPS to 100km without even fitting for it. Get jammed and laugh at it. Get neuted and... You're never neuted. Set orbit to 27km, buy Republic Fleet Disruptor and make coffee while rekking. Fit oversized 100MN AB, full tank and 3 damage mods, then moonwalk out of any hairy situation. Fitting Warp Core Stabs is an option - With increased locking times, you'll simply enjoy the soothing travel trajectory of your ship, as you enter orbit, gently. Enemy fleet switched doctrine ships? Not a problem, pick another sentry set during your morning breakfast. Zealots and Eagles smoke sentry fire, as they look for a nearby University to purchase a Gallente Cruiser skillbook. Scrap that - no one flies those since 2006. Track frigates with medium and heavy drones like there's no tomorrow. Transversshuuul, radiul orc/second, what? Leave that to the turret peasants. Unlike missiles, drones always catch you. Practically. Gila wished it could be an Ishtar, but it can't. Stratios is an Ishtar in reverse, thus not an Ishtar. VNI has more sentry DPS than an Ishtar, but Ishtar is an Ishtar, hence VNI can't have more sentry DPS than an Ishtar.

Working as intended.

☐ Eve Online ☑ Ishtars Online


not sure if this is a troll or he just doesnt have a clue

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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#13 - 2015-03-25 17:42:01 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
Syrilian wrote:
goal of flying an ishtar

...I realize there are no right or wrong answers


Keep telling yourself that. Big smile

Ishtar. This is Ishtars Online. Can solo any faction any 10/10 Plex or any other dungeon, mission or instance while semi-AFK with 101% efficiency... while using a shield tank that is superior to any Minmatar boat - Gallente the prime master shield race /confirmed. Nanoggaf most ships solo, project 750 DPS to 100km without even fitting for it. Get jammed and laugh at it. Get neuted and... You're never neuted. Set orbit to 27km, buy Republic Fleet Disruptor and make coffee while rekking. Fit oversized 100MN AB, full tank and 3 damage mods, then moonwalk out of any hairy situation. Fitting Warp Core Stabs is an option - With increased locking times, you'll simply enjoy the soothing travel trajectory of your ship, as you enter orbit, gently. Enemy fleet switched doctrine ships? Not a problem, pick another sentry set during your morning breakfast. Zealots and Eagles smoke sentry fire, as they look for a nearby University to purchase a Gallente Cruiser skillbook. Scrap that - no one flies those since 2006. Track frigates with medium and heavy drones like there's no tomorrow. Transversshuuul, radiul orc/second, what? Leave that to the turret peasants. Unlike missiles, drones always catch you. Practically. Gila wished it could be an Ishtar, but it can't. Stratios is an Ishtar in reverse, thus not an Ishtar. VNI has more sentry DPS than an Ishtar, but Ishtar is an Ishtar, hence VNI can't have more sentry DPS than an Ishtar.

Working as intended.

☐ Eve Online ☑ Ishtars Online


not sure if this is a troll or he just doesnt have a clue


Now, I may be overdosed on boosters, but Ishtar is seen crystal-klear.

Also forgot to mention the secret Ishtar Mafia that is attempting to thwart creative forces at every turn.

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Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#14 - 2015-03-25 19:37:36 UTC
Syrilian wrote:



PVP mostly doing FW and plexing.


Well, I'd recommend not thinking about drone cruisers for a while. As OP as people think the Ishtar/Gila/Rattlesnake are, lowsec and especially FW space is dominated by small-gang / fleet warfare, and as soon as someone spies a shiney cruiser, you're garunteed to get blobbed.

Gallente drone boat progression goes as follows: Tristan > Fed Navy Comet > Algos > Vexor > Navy Vexor > Myrmadon > Ishtar > Dominix > Navy Domi > Sin > Thanatos > Nyx.

And since 90% of lowsec combat is in frigates and destroyers, I'd suggest you get really good with the Tristan and occasionally the Algos before moving up in ship size. Alturnatively, the Amarr have a few drone boats that are OK, but inferior to their Gallente counterparts.

Hope that helps!
Orlacc
#15 - 2015-03-25 19:51:48 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
My favorite droneboat so far is the Rattlesnake.



For PvP?? I doubt it.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Syrilian
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-03-25 19:56:50 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Syrilian wrote:



PVP mostly doing FW and plexing.


Well, I'd recommend not thinking about drone cruisers for a while. As OP as people think the Ishtar/Gila/Rattlesnake are, lowsec and especially FW space is dominated by small-gang / fleet warfare, and as soon as someone spies a shiney cruiser, you're garunteed to get blobbed.

Gallente drone boat progression goes as follows: Tristan > Fed Navy Comet > Algos > Vexor > Navy Vexor > Myrmadon > Ishtar > Dominix > Navy Domi > Sin > Thanatos > Nyx.

And since 90% of lowsec combat is in frigates and destroyers, I'd suggest you get really good with the Tristan and occasionally the Algos before moving up in ship size. Alturnatively, the Amarr have a few drone boats that are OK, but inferior to their Gallente counterparts.

Hope that helps!


Plan right now is to get ship mastery IV or V on the tristan than move up to algos or ishtar.
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#17 - 2015-03-25 20:20:30 UTC
OP, Your plan sounds fine.

With the recent nerfbat, I think they may have hammered the Ishtar down a bit, but it still may not be enough for the other HACs, or God forbid BCs, to once again get their day in the sun (remembers long ago such things as Welpcanes and PODLA Drakes...). So even with the nerd, I'm not sure if we've arrived at a place where Iroquoiss' comments are off the mark. And so, you'll probably be pretty happy to have trained one up barring another round of CCP Nerfbat.

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Arla Sarain
#18 - 2015-03-25 23:01:12 UTC
Tristans
[Tristan,]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Cookiecutter.
Kites almost everything, deal ~140 DPS over whatever range you want. Hobs II still go 4.2k m/s.

Dumbest subpirate frig available.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-03-26 10:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
im kinda lazy so drones suit my play style quite well
that makes my opinion heavily biased towards droneboats being a very good thing

the changes made to some of the npcs do mean you have to watch whats happening a little more
light drones are targeted much less frequently than medium drones, heavy drones and sentries are targeted the most frequently

as the only destructible weapon system in the game (excluding pos guns) they are still very easy to use
an extra bonus is most droneboats are much more versatile than other platforms

as for pvp, whats best really depends on what your going to be shooting at
for some things a drone boat will be awesome, for others it can be a disadvantage
Brutus Utama
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-03-26 12:49:15 UTC
I love the Gila, has a solid tank and a pretty high damage also.... plus looks really awesome
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