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Will CCP be hiring Marmites ?

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#81 - 2015-03-24 13:11:22 UTC
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Don't be so mean. Without Veers who would we all laugh at?


Do you really need a list? Twisted

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#82 - 2015-03-24 13:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I regret that I have only one like to give.
Faxing bacon now.

Edit: Stupid fax machine at work not functioning. I will neither confirm nor deny as to whether or not attempting to fax bacon has had any impact on this sad state of affairs.

Also, stuck here for 12 hours instead of the usual eight. Coherency degrading.

Wait what... you can FAX BACON???
mind blownShockedShockedShocked


You surely can try. As I currently have the fax machine set to terrible standings I feel it justified to at least make the attempt.
I regret that my boss knows me too well for the 'play stupid' ploy to have any chance of success.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2015-03-24 13:20:56 UTC
Every page on every thread on every forum category should have a post like this.

Ro Fenrios wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem with Eve retention is the fact that new players drift into the game without any sense of direction or opportunity. No one leads them to incursions, L4s, manufacturing, etc... Their main experience is trying to make a mining corp, getting curbstomped by marmite, and quitting the game.



When I joined this game, I had no previous experience or knowledge about it at all. I wanted to do things however and one of those things was your very own corporation. Thus Armilies was born. Starting literally from two ventures in high sec belt, me and my new best buddy in game visioned that some day we have mighty industrial corporation in high sec. When we finally got enough isk (via mining) to get our first retriever (and that was like WOW its so huge compared to venture!!) we were really exited. But then came our first wardec. Barely two weeks into game and some random as corporation wardecs us. What is war? Why were we wardecced? Who are these guys?

Our best combat ships were destroyers while enemy had multiple T3s and (GASP) Drake. You can make guess how our first battle went. Now, here is the crucial part. Pay attention, Veers.

-We could have dropped the corp, quit the game, throw our hands up and surrender.

-Or we could find a way to fight this or least survive the wardec.

We chose to survive. Even though it seemed that high sec was now inpossible place for us to live in (Holy ****, we cannot mine!) and somehow our wardeccers always found us where ever we chose to hide in, we vowed one thing; our corp would not disband. We discovered soon that our deccers were avoiding that dark place called low sec. They never followed us there. Now, for two weeks old newb low sec felt intimidating place, judging from the stories that carebears in high used to tell us. If even our impossibly powerful wardeccers avoided that place, what kind of monsters dwelled in low sec then?

I was so scared. I kept warping around the system cause in low anyone could shoot you. What do people do in low sec? Do they just shoot each other? While I was scared to death any ship I saw on grid, I also felt proud for flying in low. I told my care bear friends what I am doing. (I find this truly amusing now)


And then! PIRATE shows up. I'm destroyed. In panic I warp to station in pod and dock up. What I'm going to do now? He is outside the station. I'm gaged in! This was probably scariest moment of my eve life although now looking back all I can do is laugh. The pirate dude convoes me and asks if I am new. He explains to me what happened and even returns me the stuff that dropped from my ship! I find it so bizarre that he can be so kind even when he just blew up my ship.

We become friends, he starts to teach me, he drives away our wardeccers and offers us protection. Suddenly eve becomes more exiting. I realize that there is so much more to do than just mining and mission running. At this point I start to see what eve as a sandbox means.

Had I never went into low sec. Had I never lost the ships I did, met people through that way. Had I just stayed in high and done mission running and mining - I would not be playing anymore. Mining and ratting is boring, even our industrial guys in corp say that.

These days Armil has grown into active small corporation, with good number of dedicated players. We do things together, succeed together or share our losses in bad days, but most of all appreciate the the support we give to one another and the fun and laughter we have when flying together.

And that industrial corp dream? We can build capitals these days or pretty much anything below supers, so that goal has been met. But since then we have reached so much further, beyond our original dreams and visions. Not alone, but together.

But difference is Veers, we chose to survive, to hold onto what little we had. I wont go as far as to say that I would thank our wardeccers, but I recognize that had we never been wardecced and thus forced to adapt, we would have never progressed to where we are now. I personally would not be playing anymore.

Now, tell me how wardecs are not a good thing? How shooting red crosses and fattening wallet only to fly more blingy ship to shoot red crosses will keep players interested in eve? Are you going to do that next 5 years?


Love, D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lucrezzia
The Cursed Company
#84 - 2015-03-24 13:43:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I quit.


Could you please donate all your ISK and assets to Brave Dojo (our newbie teaching corp) before you quit? Thank you in advance! <3
Capt Lynch
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#85 - 2015-03-24 14:21:12 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Every page on every thread on every forum category should have a post like this.

Ro Fenrios wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem with Eve retention is the fact that new players drift into the game without any sense of direction or opportunity. No one leads them to incursions, L4s, manufacturing, etc... Their main experience is trying to make a mining corp, getting curbstomped by marmite, and quitting the game.



When I joined this game, I had no previous experience or knowledge about it at all. I wanted to do things however and one of those things was your very own corporation. Thus Armilies was born. Starting literally from two ventures in high sec belt, me and my new best buddy in game visioned that some day we have mighty industrial corporation in high sec. When we finally got enough isk (via mining) to get our first retriever (and that was like WOW its so huge compared to venture!!) we were really exited. But then came our first wardec. Barely two weeks into game and some random as corporation wardecs us. What is war? Why were we wardecced? Who are these guys?

Our best combat ships were destroyers while enemy had multiple T3s and (GASP) Drake. You can make guess how our first battle went. Now, here is the crucial part. Pay attention, Veers.

-We could have dropped the corp, quit the game, throw our hands up and surrender.

-Or we could find a way to fight this or least survive the wardec.

We chose to survive. Even though it seemed that high sec was now inpossible place for us to live in (Holy ****, we cannot mine!) and somehow our wardeccers always found us where ever we chose to hide in, we vowed one thing; our corp would not disband. We discovered soon that our deccers were avoiding that dark place called low sec. They never followed us there. Now, for two weeks old newb low sec felt intimidating place, judging from the stories that carebears in high used to tell us. If even our impossibly powerful wardeccers avoided that place, what kind of monsters dwelled in low sec then?

I was so scared. I kept warping around the system cause in low anyone could shoot you. What do people do in low sec? Do they just shoot each other? While I was scared to death any ship I saw on grid, I also felt proud for flying in low. I told my care bear friends what I am doing. (I find this truly amusing now)


And then! PIRATE shows up. I'm destroyed. In panic I warp to station in pod and dock up. What I'm going to do now? He is outside the station. I'm gaged in! This was probably scariest moment of my eve life although now looking back all I can do is laugh. The pirate dude convoes me and asks if I am new. He explains to me what happened and even returns me the stuff that dropped from my ship! I find it so bizarre that he can be so kind even when he just blew up my ship.

We become friends, he starts to teach me, he drives away our wardeccers and offers us protection. Suddenly eve becomes more exiting. I realize that there is so much more to do than just mining and mission running. At this point I start to see what eve as a sandbox means.

Had I never went into low sec. Had I never lost the ships I did, met people through that way. Had I just stayed in high and done mission running and mining - I would not be playing anymore. Mining and ratting is boring, even our industrial guys in corp say that.

These days Armil has grown into active small corporation, with good number of dedicated players. We do things together, succeed together or share our losses in bad days, but most of all appreciate the the support we give to one another and the fun and laughter we have when flying together.

And that industrial corp dream? We can build capitals these days or pretty much anything below supers, so that goal has been met. But since then we have reached so much further, beyond our original dreams and visions. Not alone, but together.

But difference is Veers, we chose to survive, to hold onto what little we had. I wont go as far as to say that I would thank our wardeccers, but I recognize that had we never been wardecced and thus forced to adapt, we would have never progressed to where we are now. I personally would not be playing anymore.

Now, tell me how wardecs are not a good thing? How shooting red crosses and fattening wallet only to fly more blingy ship to shoot red crosses will keep players interested in eve? Are you going to do that next 5 years?


Love, D.

Bear


Agreed. Pirates get too much bad rap as assholes. Most pirates I've met are decent people, they just RP as assholes in EVE.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#86 - 2015-03-24 14:24:41 UTC
Capt Lynch wrote:
Agreed. Pirates get too much bad rap as assholes. Most pirates I've met are decent people, they just RP as assholes in EVE.


I am a cute cuddly space hamster.

Yarrrr.

Pirate

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#87 - 2015-03-24 16:04:54 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

No, it's the fact that the people willing to get curbstomped are the only ones willing to stay. The ones who want a collaborative highsec can't get it, because their noob corp gets wardecced by marmite. So they say "game sucks - I quit."


Not sure we are playing the same game. I was in null/WHs two months into the game. If you are getting curbstomped, you are new player-ing wrong.
Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#88 - 2015-03-24 16:09:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Revis Owen
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Capt Lynch wrote:
Pirates get too much bad rap as assholes. Most pirates I've met are decent people, they just RP as assholes in EVE.


I am a cute cuddly space hamster. Yarrrr. Pirate


Confirming Mike's a very decent guy, cuddly furry small mammal, and a pirate a-hole.

Connecting this back to the topic, I highly recommend membership in his corp for both newbros and vets interested in increasing player retention via blowing their ships up.

I'm even more comfortable in making this recommendation now that CCP has confirmed that ships blowing up non-consensually is SOMEHOW connected to players' subscribing to and staying in a game about non-consensual blowing up of ships.

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Nof Nof
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#89 - 2015-03-24 16:39:52 UTC
I have been in many corps war decced by marmite and other trade hub war Dec entities. Our corp never quit the game in fact we fought back in some instances but veers hits the nail on the head.

"Some players just want to sit in hi sec and accumulate wealth"


The biggest problem with eve is it doesn't encourage players to leave hi security because they can earn a lot of wealth care bearing out of an orca with minimal risk. If anything needs to be fixed it's nerfing high security income. You don't deserve any wealth for being a coward.
Lorelei Ierendi
We Care A Lot
#90 - 2015-03-24 17:08:46 UTC
Nof Nof wrote:
I have been in many corps war decced by marmite and other trade hub war Dec entities. Our corp never quit the game in fact we fought back in some instances but veers hits the nail on the head.

"Some players just want to sit in hi sec and accumulate wealth"


The biggest problem with eve is it doesn't encourage players to leave hi security because they can earn a lot of wealth care bearing out of an orca with minimal risk. If anything needs to be fixed it's nerfing high security income. You don't deserve any wealth for being a coward.


Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward. There are lots of fun things to do there.

Complaining about getting blown up in a game about blowing spaceships up... doesn't make you a coward either... even if it is hard to understand you.

I think the potential increase in profits between high and low needs to be looked at by people that understand that sort of thing.

If everyone was the same, then the world/game would be a boring place.

http://hisec-carebear.blogspot.de/

Nof Nof
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#91 - 2015-03-24 17:52:03 UTC
I agree with your point. You should be allowed to do what you want for your sub money. The problem is when people like veers complain about being Ganked when that is what other players want to do with their subscription and then come.up with all these hell fire and brimstone excuses how them losing a ship somehow ruins eve.
Mobadder Thworst
Doomheim
#92 - 2015-03-24 18:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mobadder Thworst
Akianavas is one of the noob training systems. I didn't know that when I first moved there, I went there for the population. I didn't yet know much about pvp.

It had a LOT of people online all the time. There were always people outside station baiting and fighting. You could find solo and small team fights all the time.

I have killed noobs too, but after a while they were my noobs and I always felt a sense of duty to them. I replaced a lot of ships and taught a lot. I made loads of friends.

I worked really hard to make it unpleasant to mistreat my noobs.

One day I found a macharial and tenge outside baiting. Naturally, I took the bait and popped the macharial. He dropped 2.3 billion, if I remember correctly.

I snagged all of it, but the tenge was still working on me.

Unsolicited, I had 7 rep boats turn up to save me. From local corps. I knew them all, but none of them owed me anything. They were just locals.

The one public award you can see on my character was awarded when my corp mates found out I split the loot 8 even ways to take care of those guys.

High sec pvp'ers in noob systems aren't what carebears make us out to be. I think I enriched the Akianavas experience for most players. I want those old rules back.

I think taking us out of the noob systems was destructive. The population of Akiainavas is lower now than it was back then. There is nothing going on and local chat is dead. There are only ships flying around in solitude.

I find it hard to believe this is a better experience for new bros.

The last time I got petitioned, I was trying to fight a guy who docked up a scorpion. He then undocked a kestrel, which I killed. I figured it was a CCP gank when I saw it was unfit.

This data from CCP that suggests noobs who lose ships stay longer makes sense to "griefers" like me.
You get shouted down when you suggest griefing and highsec warfare are good, but I've been posting this argument with no data for a long time.

All these restrictions aren't just blocking bad experiences. They're blocking good experiences too.

I want my retention award
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2015-03-24 18:42:52 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Your opinion is irrelevant, as its overruled by CCP facts. Deal with it.

can i use this quote for Kaagarous? He would love you for this

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2015-03-24 19:01:39 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem with Eve retention is the fact that new players drift into the game without any sense of direction or opportunity. No one leads them to incursions, L4s, manufacturing, etc... Their main experience is trying to make a mining corp, getting curbstomped by marmite, and quitting the game.


Getting curbstomped gives you a sense of direction, either you want to do that too or you want revenge.


Or you want to learn how to avoid it in the future. Any of those are good options and create interest in the game.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2015-03-24 19:02:28 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Masao Kurata wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
The problem with Eve retention is the fact that new players drift into the game without any sense of direction or opportunity. No one leads them to incursions, L4s, manufacturing, etc... Their main experience is trying to make a mining corp, getting curbstomped by marmite, and quitting the game.


Getting curbstomped gives you a sense of direction, either you want to do that too or you want revenge.


Or you say this game is **** where rich and skilled vets get their giggles by blowing up helpless new players in wildly unfair fights, and quit the game.


That would make you the >1% CCP mentioned. Which means no one cares or should care.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2015-03-24 19:03:24 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Or you say this game is **** where rich and skilled vets get their giggles by blowing up helpless new players in wildly unfair fights, and quit the game.


Except for the part where being curbstomped gives people a much higher retention rate.

Clearly, highsec needs to be much, much less safe.


No, it's the fact that the people willing to get curbstomped are the only ones willing to stay. The ones who want a collaborative highsec can't get it, because their noob corp gets wardecced by marmite. So they say "game sucks - I quit."


Again that would make them the >1% and as such no one cares.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2015-03-24 19:23:32 UTC
Mortlake wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


No, it's the fact that the people willing to get curbstomped are the only ones willing to stay. The ones who want a collaborative highsec can't get it, because their noob corp gets wardecced by marmite. So they say "game sucks - I quit."



Apparently this has been available from all good Concord LP stores for some time. Why did nobody tell me?


Who made that? I want to thank directly. Also sad face I can only give one like.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2015-03-24 19:30:36 UTC
Nof Nof wrote:
I agree with your point. You should be allowed to do what you want for your sub money. The problem is when people like veers complain about being Ganked when that is what other players want to do with their subscription and then come.up with all these hell fire and brimstone excuses how them losing a ship somehow ruins eve.


That's a problem with NPE and player awareness of the nature of Eve, not HS economics. (In his case it's specifically HS incursions, which I think are a bit OP income wise) I myself make all my money in HS and looking at my killboard should make it pretty obvious I'm not risk adverse or a coward (though I am a bit sporadic in activity level).

tl;dr Veers says a lot of things, backs up none of them with evidence, and refuses to acknowledge the validity of any point that disagrees with him. He's blind to the nature of Eve and it's players and won't listen to reason. Most HS dwellers are not like him.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.

Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#99 - 2015-03-24 19:47:48 UTC
Lorelei Ierendi wrote:
Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward.


Yes. Yes it does.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Revis Owen
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#100 - 2015-03-24 19:58:02 UTC
Lorelei Ierendi wrote:
Just wanting to sit in High Sec does not make you a coward. There are lots of fun things to do there.


Give two examples, please.

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