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GENIUS RIGHT? Overview hotkeys!!!!!
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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#1 - 2015-03-19 04:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Aramaus
Edited for length

I was sitting here wishing for more overview tabs, way more.

One of my biggest complaints with EVE is the spreadsheets. The overview, local, d-scan, fleet chat, fleet broadcasts, fleet list (sometimes), intel channels... on and on. The result is, you have to do a lot of clicking on tiny little tabs and buttons, to switch between all your different information panels (spreadsheets).

Give me total control over the UI.

- First, allow me to create an (effectively) infinite amount of Overview presets. 99? 999? I'd be happy with 99, hell even 10 or 20, but this would all be client side, correct? So it should be possible, and have no effect on the servers or anyone else's client, right?

- Allow me to save any UI 'state' into a preset. Which windows are open, which tabs are at 'front', how big each window is, what COLUMNS it displays...

- Allow me to map any of the presets to a hotkey/combo.

BAM! I can be a space pilot GOD!!!!!!

Cntrl+1 = PVP targets (all shiptypes, no blues shown, no celestials/cans/beacons/anything else)
Cntrl+2 = Gates only
Cntrl+3 = Stations and Gates only
Cntrl+4 = Stations and Gates and all Ships (even blues)
Cntrl+5 = Beacons and ships
Cntrl+6 = Beacons only
Cntrl+S = Overview "THIS" size
Cntrl+C = Overview "THAT size (column width too)
Cntrl+V = "This" overview with Local+Dscan (in certain saved positions/sizes/etc)
Cntrl+B = "That" overview with Fleet broadcasts, Local here, fleet chat there, X sizes, etc

Unlimited hotkeys for unlimited UI "states". Any window, configuration of windows, size, shape, what they're showing... can be "snapshotted" and saved, able to be recalled with a hotkey.

Make it a quick easy process... once the arranging/setting is done... hotkey-x snapshots the current UI state, a box opens to save a name for it, like overview presets.

Then to map that preset, hit a keystroke that brings up a list of your mappable presets, you select which one, then you do the hotkey/keystroke you want to map it to, and done.

Anyone have those "MMO" mice or keyboards, with all the macro keys/buttons? I'd buy one in an instant for this. Thumb keypad for overview presets, keyboard macro buttons for UI window "states" and arrangements.

GLO-RI-OUS.

Any reasons why not? This idea is PURE GOLD.

CCP I like my paychecks how I like my JG Wentworth, one lump sum. You're welcome.

The UI update we deserve
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#2 - 2015-03-19 12:53:38 UTC
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#3 - 2015-03-19 16:04:16 UTC
BUMMMP!

CCP this needs to be a sticky.

This is the future of EVE UI.

The UI update we deserve
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#4 - 2015-03-20 02:25:37 UTC
ALSO

A hotkey for D-scan "SCAN"

Please?

The UI update we deserve
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#5 - 2015-03-20 20:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: HTC NecoSino
Leto Aramaus wrote:
this isn't the best idea ever.


CCP won't allow macros to affect the overview/targeting panes due to auto-locking botnet whatever.

An aside, get a knock-off brand programmable mouse. I think I got mine for like $30 and it was worth every cent.

Oh, and even if this idea was original and great, the ISD will lock it for bumping, so don't bump it more than once/day.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#6 - 2015-03-20 20:45:44 UTC
Quote:
CCP won't allow macros to affect the overview/targeting panes due to auto-locking botnet whatever.


Really???

So MY gaming experience is limited because a feature that would VASTLY improve the UI experience could be exploited by bots???

The current UI can already be exploited by bots...

Any UI ever will always be exploitable by bots, unless you want to add CAPTCHAs to every action in EVE???

Unbelievably WORST excuse to not add a good idea... I've EVER heard.

You couldn't even form a coherent thought regarding the reasons against this... "auto-locking botnet whatever". HAH!

Again... the UI can already be botted, any action on a computer can be botted... and you're telling me my ability to customize what I see on the UI can't be improved because "macros shouldn't be allowed because something something potential botting"

TROLOLOL...

Well CCP needs to change their tune if you ask me.

Can I PLEEEEASE get a hotkey for D-scan "Scan".

The UI update we deserve
BravoPrime
Garoun Investment Bank
#7 - 2015-03-20 23:34:04 UTC
You sir are a god among men.
Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-03-21 10:23:02 UTC
BravoPrime wrote:
You sir are a god among men.


Wait.... is . . he . . BOB ????? Shocked



On topic. Hotkeys to make overview control easier would be a welcome addition. I can't be certain how susceptible this would be to botting or any way of automation though, but if it can be abused in anyway it would be better to 'click click' more.
Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#9 - 2015-03-21 12:29:13 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Okay tell me this isn't the best idea ever...

I was sitting here wishing for more overview tabs, way more.

Of course I realized that you can only have so many, before you'd have to start scrolling the tabs back and forth, or dragging your overview across half the screen. Which EVE can technically be played with, but would make it very hard to spin the camera and fly manually or look at the battlefield.

This is also a problem with the different overview columns... in order to see things like velocity, radial, transversal, [anyone even care about?] angular... you have to drag the overview quite wide. For me, on a 1080p screen, it's too far and interfering with my internet spaceship visuals and even the ability to see the grid well. People on a non-widescreen, smaller screen, or lower resolution, I'd hate to be you.

So I've posted in the past, and am a big proponent of huge, radical, total rebuilds and changes to EVE, like building a new game engine from scratch. Pretty much nobody wants this, or even if they want it... even the people who would like to see this for EVE, say it literally CAN'T or just will never be done by CCP. Okay fine, I'll still play it with the gameplay we have now, but give me much more control over my interface.

One of my biggest complaints with EVE is the spreadsheets. The overview, local, d-scan, fleet chat, fleet broadcasts, fleet list (sometimes), intel channels... on and on. The result is, you have to do a lot of clicking on tiny little tabs and buttons, to switch between all your different information panels (spreadsheets).

This is getting TL;DR... so here's what I'm suggesting:

Give me total control over the UI.



- First, allow me to create an (effectively) infinite amount of Overview presets. 99? 999? I'd be happy with 99, hell even 10 or 20, but this would all be client side, correct? So it should be possible, and have no effect on the servers or anyone else's client, right?

- Allow me to save any UI 'state' into a preset. Which windows are open, which tabs are at 'front', how big each window is, what COLUMNS it displays...

- Allow me to map any of the presets to a hotkey/combo.

BAM! I can be a space pilot GOD!!!!!!

Cntrl+1 = PVP targets (all shiptypes, no blues shown, no celestials/cans/beacons/anything else)
Cntrl+2 = Gates only
Cntrl+3 = Stations and Gates only
Cntrl+4 = Stations and Gates and all Ships (even blues)
Cntrl+5 = Beacons and ships
Cntrl+6 = Beacons only
Cntrl+S = Overview "THIS" size
Cntrl+C = Overview "THAT size (column width too)
Cntrl+V = "This" overview with Local+Dscan (in certain saved positions/sizes/etc)
Cntrl+B = "That" overview with Fleet broadcasts, Local here, fleet chat there, X sizes, etc

Unlimited hotkeys for unlimited UI "states". Any window, configuration of windows, size, shape, what they're showing... can be "snapshotted" and saved, able to be recalled with a hotkey.

Make it a quick easy process... once the arranging/setting is done... *snap* hotkey-x snapshots the current UI state, box opens to save a name for it, like OV presets.

Then to map hit a keystroke that brings up a list of your mappable presets, you select which one, then you do the hotkey/keystroke you want to map it to, and done.

Anyone have those "MMO" mice or keyboards, with all the macro keys/buttons? I'd buy one in an instant for this. Thumb keypad for overview presets, keyboard macro buttons for UI window "states" and arrangements.

GLO-RI-OUS.

Any reasons why not? This idea is PURE GOLD.

CCP I like my paychecks how I like my JG Wentworth, one lump sum. You're welcome.


Make this man an employee NOW
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#10 - 2015-03-23 18:31:29 UTC
Bump

CCP can I get a Dev response on this?

The UI update we deserve
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-03-23 18:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Are you seriously bumping your thread every few hours? Are asking for a dev response? Its a good suggestion, let it stand for itself instead of shoving it down everyone's throats Lol
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#12 - 2015-03-23 19:21:30 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Are you seriously bumping your thread every few hours? Are asking for a dev response? Its a good suggestion, let it stand for itself instead of shoving it down everyone's throats Lol



Do you know how to read timestamps?

Why did you think I bumped it every few hours?

Edit: thanks for the bump

The UI update we deserve
Krops Vont
#13 - 2015-03-24 16:17:39 UTC
Inb4 lock. Bump once a day not once an hour. Rules are rules.

My 2 isk: Ctrl + Shift + Tab will switch between overviews and Ctrl + Shift + # will load what preset you created.

Minus that, the only problem I see is I want less things on my screen and more pretty spaceships.

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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#14 - 2015-03-24 16:26:19 UTC
Krops Vont wrote:
Inb4 lock. Bump once a day not once an hour. Rules are rules.

My 2 isk: Ctrl + Shift + Tab will switch between overviews and Ctrl + Shift + # will load what preset you created.

Minus that, the only problem I see is I want less things on my screen and more pretty spaceships.


OKAY PEOPLE.... lol =\

After the first day, where I wrongfully bumped more than once... I haven't been bumping "once every few hours" or even once a day.

But thanks for the bump.

CCP do this asap.

The UI update we deserve
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#15 - 2015-03-26 04:27:11 UTC
***********************Related Issue************************************

Shortcut Menu Catastrophe

Arrow Window Tab = good, all window open/close hotkeys

Arrow Combat Tab = Targeting and "Tagging" (what do these even do?) hotkeys... but also Warp, Align, Dock/Jump, Approach < Not combat,

Warp, Jump, Align, Approach, etc definitely belong in...

ArrowNavigation Tab =
- Broadcast hotkeys?!?!
- Camera controls/toggles?!?!
- Select Next Target ????!!!!
- Toggle Brackets????
- Toggle Brackets is a navigation control???
- Camera controls????? DAFUQ??


DO MY ORIGINAL POST!!!!!!!!!!

How is there a hotkey for opening/closing EVERY SINGLE WINDOW... but working with/changing the UI... you know, playing the game, is so limited?

The UI update we deserve
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-03-27 19:38:31 UTC
no no no, this will never work out on a console controller!!









+1 you magnificent bastard

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Somal Thunder
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-03-28 01:37:46 UTC
1. More overview presets
2. Map hotkeys to presets
3. Add "configurations" (groups of presets)
4. Map hotkeys to swapping between configurations
5. ?????
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#18 - 2015-03-28 03:26:56 UTC
Somal Thunder wrote:
1. More overview presets
2. Map hotkeys to presets
3. Add "configurations" (groups of presets)
4. Map hotkeys to swapping between configurations
5. ?????


During PVP I would benefit a lot from being able to quickly change many things, in the UI, in specific and precise ways, with a single keypress. All the things described in my OP... changing overview presets, changing window sizes and positions, and changing window tabs... are the biggest ones.

So...

5. Pilot my ship much more effectively

The UI update we deserve
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-03-28 03:45:12 UTC
Krops Vont wrote:
Inb4 lock. Bump once a day not once an hour. Rules are rules.

That rule applies to the Sell Orders section, and not to the rest of the forum.
There is a rule that states bumping is not allowed out side of the Marketplace and Recruiting sections.

However, I do like this idea very much.

So by all means keep it active.
Tokarz Delmas
The Praxis Society
#20 - 2015-03-28 04:19:08 UTC
i agree with this as well bumping for posterity
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