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Do Zero-Tolerance for Botting Alliances Exist?
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#61 - 2011-12-23 00:48:43 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
:please don your tin foil hats before proceeding further:

Is there any proof that "report bot" has been used by CCP as more than a "feel good feature" for legitmate players?
Have there been any bots banned by CCP after having been reported using that tool?

As far as I know, CCP won't release any information along those lines. If they won't do that, then it is impossible to determine if the "report bot" feature is even valid. It may be that CCP put it there with no intention of ever using it beyond it fooling the gullible into thinking it is a legitimate way to get CCP to take action. Outside of CCP stepping in and showing proof, not just a dev post saying "yes we do", the community is left in the dark about it. As a result, speculation, accusation, and treachery will abound.


Come to think of it, how do we know the botters aren't CCP-controlled to artificially raise PLEX prices so more people will want to buy PLEX with real money so they can raise profits?

Oh god! That matches up perfectly with your hypothesis!

I'm scared.

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Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2011-12-23 11:21:06 UTC
When an alliance's subs reach critical level they're given carte blanche to do whatever they like.

Here, do this.
Join a major alliance.
Read their forums.
Note down all the cheats they suggest you get in on and don't care who knows it.
Watch how those chars aren't banned.

Finally, you too can just stop caring.
Somebody will start botting incursions at some point. Then CCP really will have a dilemma on their hands.

ATX: The best of the rest.
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2011-12-23 11:41:50 UTC
Cass Lie wrote:
Might be PL would kick any botting char that got caught and blown. Not because it is ~immoral~, but because he is stupid enough to do it on a main and not on an alt in a renter alliance in some god-forgotten null system.

And on a more serious note, the answer is yes, at least one such alliance exists.



PL Shocked

Do you really think PL will kick a botter while allowing "monkeybusiness" - hacking the client for not appearing in local is ok?
LOL
Munio J Makeanen
United Starbase Systems
#64 - 2011-12-23 14:16:44 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
When an alliance's subs reach critical level they're given carte blanche to do whatever they like.

Here, do this.
Join a major alliance.
Read their forums.
Note down all the cheats they suggest you get in on and don't care who knows it.
Watch how those chars aren't banned.

Finally, you too can just stop caring.
Somebody will start botting incursions at some point. Then CCP really will have a dilemma on their hands.


They already do.

Just not fully still need bit of supervision but one person is enough per whole fleet and it is not common yet.

it is just pure fail imo but whatever could not care less.




Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#65 - 2011-12-23 16:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Topaz Sky wrote:
CCP devs are apparently in the goons and goons have an open goon-botting tolerance policy, so clearly not.

Nice tinfoil hat. Goonswarm was one of the unnamed alliances I mentioned, which I believe (according to my sources) has a "don't report bots" policy. It's not "bots are okay" but it's effectively that anyway. The reason that is put in place is because of idiots who would go through friendly systems reporting every single ratter for botting, which causes unnecessary drama and headaches for everyone. Even worse if those friendly systems are in an ally's space, not the own alliance's space.

I mean, it's understandable, but sort of sad. And that doesn't answer my question either way.

While I in general realy hate Goons becouse of all their highsec ganking bullshit .... this argument I can understand.

Goons are 6000 people. The leaders simply can not know every member. And from history ("we just play to destroy your game and we have fun doing it") there are for sure many butheads in Goons (including some of the leaders).
Hell, I can even imagin a offizial program from Goons called: "DDOS bot pettion section with mass reporting everyone" just for lulz.

But in general all 00/low ally leader know, their member can just PvP if they have some ISK. And with the general "I want PvP and hate all PvE" mentality ... they would detroy their babys (allys) if they use a 100% anti bot policy.

Some are better known for botting (Goons, NC, russen mafia). Some do it more silent (CVA *cry*).

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Prince Kobol
#66 - 2011-12-23 16:25:32 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Topaz Sky wrote:
CCP devs are apparently in the goons and goons have an open goon-botting tolerance policy, so clearly not.

Nice tinfoil hat. Goonswarm was one of the unnamed alliances I mentioned, which I believe (according to my sources) has a "don't report bots" policy. It's not "bots are okay" but it's effectively that anyway. The reason that is put in place is because of idiots who would go through friendly systems reporting every single ratter for botting, which causes unnecessary drama and headaches for everyone. Even worse if those friendly systems are in an ally's space, not the own alliance's space.

I mean, it's understandable, but sort of sad. And that doesn't answer my question either way.

While I in general realy hate Goons becouse of all their highsec ganking bullshit .... this argument I can understand.

Goons are 6000 people. The leaders simply can not know every member. And from history ("we just play to destroy your game and we have fun doing it") there are for sure many butheads in Goons (including some of the leaders).
Hell, I can even imagin a offizial program from Goons called: "DDOS bot pettion section with mass reporting everyone" just for lulz.

But in general all 00/low ally leader know, their member can just PvP if they have some ISK. And with the general "I want PvP and hate all PvE" mentality ... they would detroy their babys (allys) if they use a 100% anti bot policy.

Some are better known for botting (Goons, NC, russen mafia). Some do it more silent (CVA *cry*).


With the null sec alliances its not so much botting as RMT that wold be the major concern.

So for example selling isk that they are making with Tech Moons / renting out systems etc etc to illegal isk selling sites for RL Money.

This would most likely done by the Alliance Leaders or somebody who is in a position of some authority I would imagine and not just some nobody
Ira Theos
#67 - 2011-12-23 20:31:13 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
It's pretty simple: any Alliance that takes a strong stand against botting will lose the 0.0 game as a result and no longer be a viable Alliance in Eve. It's counterproductive for them to report on their own ISK making activities, so why would they? No, it's CCP that needs to step up their efforts against bots...but wait, then they'll lose real life sub dollars, so why would they do that?? A never ending problem...too many people are on the take.


You and Prince Kobol have just explained why there is no "game" in EVE and why there is no rational reason to even attempt playing the sovereignty side of EVE. Until CCP steps up the coding in EVE, the sandbox is nothing more than a cat box filled with catpoop. If you want to play in it, you must get dirty.

This is the reason I have cancelled all accounts and just send isk for PLEX these days to watch the inevitable decline.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#68 - 2011-12-23 21:00:06 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Funny you run your mouth about how I'm not on "other forums", but you can go to those other forums and read all about who bots and who doesn't, and even buy ISK.

You should be a "journalist" for Fox News.


Yep I have access to forums that in turn, have access to alliance financials; I should most certainly be punished and subject to immediate scorn for aligning myself with an online organization that wants transparency with its members.

I don't give a **** about botters, I don't care who RMT's... Honestly with the amount of effort you plebes put into this tin foil hattery, you could potentially realize there are better things to do then worry about what people are doing in areas of the game your afraid to step foot into.

Your as bad as that old ***** down the street- who sits around all day and counts how many times everyone in the neighborhood pisses, eats and fucks.


You claim not to care about it but have several posts about it, and complain about what i have to say about it. Seriously, get the **** out.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#69 - 2011-12-23 21:02:53 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Beaches wrote:
Please lurk before posting, you are a ******* disease GTFO

I have more likes than you.


yeah but for someone with 6000 allies and 1000 likes, thats terribad.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
J Kunjeh
#70 - 2011-12-23 21:07:27 UTC
Ira Theos wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
It's pretty simple: any Alliance that takes a strong stand against botting will lose the 0.0 game as a result and no longer be a viable Alliance in Eve. It's counterproductive for them to report on their own ISK making activities, so why would they? No, it's CCP that needs to step up their efforts against bots...but wait, then they'll lose real life sub dollars, so why would they do that?? A never ending problem...too many people are on the take.


You and Prince Kobol have just explained why there is no "game" in EVE and why there is no rational reason to even attempt playing the sovereignty side of EVE. Until CCP steps up the coding in EVE, the sandbox is nothing more than a cat box filled with catpoop. If you want to play in it, you must get dirty.

This is the reason I have cancelled all accounts and just send isk for PLEX these days to watch the inevitable decline.



Well, yeah, but that was my smart-ass cynical view of things. I'm not sure how much I actually believe what I said. Big smile

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#71 - 2011-12-23 21:21:05 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Topaz Sky wrote:
CCP devs are apparently in the goons and goons have an open goon-botting tolerance policy, so clearly not.

Nice tinfoil hat. Goonswarm was one of the unnamed alliances I mentioned, which I believe (according to my sources) has a "don't report bots" policy. It's not "bots are okay" but it's effectively that anyway. The reason that is put in place is because of idiots who would go through friendly systems reporting every single ratter for botting, which causes unnecessary drama and headaches for everyone. Even worse if those friendly systems are in an ally's space, not the own alliance's space.

I mean, it's understandable, but sort of sad. And that doesn't answer my question either way.

While I in general realy hate Goons becouse of all their highsec ganking bullshit .... this argument I can understand.

Goons are 6000 people. The leaders simply can not know every member. And from history ("we just play to destroy your game and we have fun doing it") there are for sure many butheads in Goons (including some of the leaders).
Hell, I can even imagin a offizial program from Goons called: "DDOS bot pettion section with mass reporting everyone" just for lulz.

But in general all 00/low ally leader know, their member can just PvP if they have some ISK. And with the general "I want PvP and hate all PvE" mentality ... they would detroy their babys (allys) if they use a 100% anti bot policy.

Some are better known for botting (Goons, NC, russen mafia). Some do it more silent (CVA *cry*).


So why would you have an alliance member who reports all your ratters in the first place? Sounds like a mole to me.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2011-12-23 22:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
Oh, hey Russel called and wants his Teapot back, also I think I saw an invisible pink unicorn somewhere around here.

Have fun with your arbitrary belief that all 0.0 alliances are filled with nothing but RMT'ers and bots.

for reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

EDIT: Dang you CCP, BBcode fail.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2011-12-23 22:40:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
There is no way to truly know which alliances, nullsec or otherwise, actually police and kick members for botting. What we do know are which alliances bot and allow their members to do so...

*coughttestgoonswarmcough*

Sorry. I don't want to point them out. I hate finger pointing. Lol

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2011-12-23 23:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
There is no way to truly know which alliances, nullsec or otherwise, actually police and kick members for botting. What we do know are which alliances bot and allow their members to do so...

*coughttestgoonswarmcough*

Sorry. I don't want to point them out. I hate finger pointing. Lol



Your Fideism is an inspiration to us all.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#75 - 2011-12-23 23:28:02 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
There is no way to truly know which alliances, nullsec or otherwise, actually police and kick members for botting. What we do know are which alliances bot and allow their members to do so...

*coughttestgoonswarmcough*

Sorry. I don't want to point them out. I hate finger pointing. Lol


You mean virtually all of them, by the sounds of this thread?

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#76 - 2011-12-23 23:33:59 UTC
I heard that the goon fleets currently murdering white noise consist entierly of bots.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2011-12-23 23:45:15 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
There is no way to truly know which alliances, nullsec or otherwise, actually police and kick members for botting. What we do know are which alliances bot and allow their members to do so...

*coughttestgoonswarmcough*

Sorry. I don't want to point them out. I hate finger pointing. Lol


You mean virtually all of them, by the sounds of this thread?


It's like they have this fideistic belief that the only people who are in 0.0 alliances are bots or RMT'ers. It is the axiom of their whole existance. Yes there are bots and RMT'ers, but not just in 0.0, and not to the degree they believe.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2011-12-23 23:48:07 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
thats terribad.

Do you know any other unfunny memes?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2011-12-23 23:49:12 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I heard that the goon fleets currently murdering white noise consist entierly of bots.

I hear some of them couldn't even stop shooting rats on the gate. It's a disgrace!

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2011-12-23 23:49:36 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
There is no way to truly know which alliances, nullsec or otherwise, actually police and kick members for botting. What we do know are which alliances bot and allow their members to do so...

*coughttestgoonswarmcough*

Sorry. I don't want to point them out. I hate finger pointing. Lol

You don't understand how this works. Goonswarm does not condone botting we just don't believe in our members doing CCP's job for them.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.