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Dear CCP - Some numbers for you to look at regarding FW vs Null Sec
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#21 - 2011-12-21 02:25:16 UTC
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More interesting numbers would be the amount of players who have had at least 1 kill in the previous week.


And also irrelevant.

Noting your incredible bias as you ask for the number of kills of FW players but not null players.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-21 02:29:22 UTC
Stealing some more numbers from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48705&find=unread

Basically they show that FW DOES have similar kill and ISK kill numbers to 0.0. Figures repeated below.

Total Kills

Gallente 2842 (9)

Minmatar 2738 (9)

Amarr 2495 (11)

Caldari 1657

Gallente+Minmatar : 5580 (1)
Amarr+Caldari : 4152 (4)
All Militias : 9732 (1)


ISK

Gallente: 320B isk
Minmatar: 199B isk
Amarr: 231B isk
Caldari: 126B isk


All Militias: 876B
Gallente+Minmatar: 519B

1 Goonswarm: 420B
2 AAA: 467B
3 NCDot. 598B

Amarr + Caldari: 375B

4 White Noise: 232B
5 Test: 379B
6 RvB Red: 80B
7 RvB Blue: 67B
8 Hydra Reloaded: 271B

Gallente: 320B
Minmatar: 199B

9 PL: 491B
10 Red Alliance: 268B

Amarr 231B
Caldari: 126B
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-12-21 02:41:20 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
More interesting numbers would be the amount of players who have had at least 1 kill in the previous week.


And also irrelevant.

Noting your incredible bias as you ask for the number of kills of FW players but not null players.

I got Yar Nor on the weekend - does that count???
Sano Hekki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-12-21 03:56:10 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Stealing some more numbers from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48705&find=unread

Basically they show that FW DOES have similar kill and ISK kill numbers to 0.0. Figures repeated below.



How are the kill similar ? The top two 0.0 alliances on eve-kill for the month have more kills than all the militia's combined, if you add up the rest in the top 20 you are looking at 5x the amount of the militia's.

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Tahna Rouspel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-12-21 04:16:32 UTC
I don't think it's so much about what Faction Warfare is at the moment, but what it could become.

From what I hear, Faction Warfare isn't the most fascinating thing to do, but it could be. Imagine how many people would enjoy doing Faction Warfare in the future? It could be a big appeal to players.

It has potential. Faction warfare could give another area for players to spend their time.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-12-21 05:52:14 UTC
Sano Hekki wrote:
Har Harrison wrote:
Stealing some more numbers from here - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=48705&find=unread

Basically they show that FW DOES have similar kill and ISK kill numbers to 0.0. Figures repeated below.



How are the kill similar ? The top two 0.0 alliances on eve-kill for the month have more kills than all the militia's combined, if you add up the rest in the top 20 you are looking at 5x the amount of the militia's.

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Rank
Goonswarm Federation 5493
Against All Authorities 4630

Combine the "allied" militias and they are ball park. Add ALL militias and they are higher (yes, you could add the alliances togetther that for CFC etc...).
The point is, FW has a lot of peope signed up, has a lot of kills and they total a lot of isk and CCP don't give it the love it needs. If it was properly loved, how much higher would these numbers be???
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-12-23 03:33:49 UTC
No comment CCP?
Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#28 - 2011-12-23 03:50:06 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
CCP has NO ONE working on EVE other than a tweak here or there, they have no vision, no plan, lack all inspiration and effectively redefine fail when you discuss EVE.


FYP You're welcome.
Mathilde D'Arc
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
#29 - 2011-12-23 03:55:33 UTC
Eleventyfunfzillion
Lolol numbers
Kelsi Corynn
Doomheim
#30 - 2011-12-23 04:34:52 UTC
I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.Smile
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-12-23 11:17:08 UTC
Kelsi Corynn wrote:
I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.Smile

So have you actually partaken in FW??? FW is currently ENTIRELY player driven based around the concept of flying under one of the 4 empires. That isn't really any different to 0.0 players forging a story under the banner of their alliance...
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#32 - 2011-12-23 16:01:17 UTC
Kelsi Corynn wrote:
I've never been a fan of having a realm versus realm PVP system in EVE (faction warfare). Why? It generates PVP based on an arbitrary IP-related choice, rather than the conflicts emerging entirely from players' own whims/acts/egos. It's PVP on rails. RVR has a solid place in MMOs that are more focused on instant gratification, but if the focus of EVE player conflict starts revolving around factions, that would be get dull fast in my opinion.Smile



I see your point but really its more player driven than you might think.

For many of us its just a name attached to the side we are fighting for. I don't really care that ccp picked the name as opposed to some player picking the name. Beyond the fact that we are at war with the other 2 factions everything else is pretty much up to the players.

And people do switch sides based on whims and egos. Its just that everyone else isn't fked based on other peoples whims and egos. If you read the warfare and tactics forum you will see we have plenty of jr high metagame drama. Its just that everything we do isn't dependant on it. No one is going to disband the amarr militia because they are upset about something someone said last night on vent.

For me the fun of being in fw has less to do with the metagame drama and more to do with trying to figure out tactics to blow eachother up. Some people will prefer one over the other. Because eve is great, it has something to offer everyone.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-12-23 16:06:42 UTC
No one cares about Canada FW. Shocked
Lexmana
#34 - 2011-12-23 16:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Faction warfare could be truly epic if it had real consequences for the citizens of new eden.

One idea I particularly like is objectives for the militias that would reduce security (from highsec to lowsec) in some key systems (e.g. popular trade routes and mission hubs) in the opposing militias empire. Meaning, that you need to defend your space to enable safe journeys and missioning in highsec.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-12-23 16:29:17 UTC
Yeah. FW seems to have picked back up a little bit, but I am speculating that it'll be looked at heavily here in the near future.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3355

CCP Unifex wrote:
The first theme is going to be War and everyone is getting very excited about it.


Yes I realize that war could mean anything, but I'm hoping for it being Faction War.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#36 - 2011-12-23 17:35:31 UTC
We have a lot of CSMs were are "null dwellers".

Problem is caused by there being a lack of CSMs being in FW.


Hence the difference.


This is called "democracy" and just a minor and harmless (it's a game) example of why hating democracy should not be considered heresy.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-12-23 17:56:26 UTC
I see you repeatedly comparing Part of the null sec population to the entirety of the FW population. You should stop, it's not convincing at all and you come across as dumb.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#38 - 2011-12-23 19:03:17 UTC
Indeterminacy wrote:
I see you repeatedly comparing Part of the null sec population to the entirety of the FW population. You should stop, it's not convincing at all and you come across as dumb.



Well the parts of null sec are pretty big parts that ccp would miss if they just decided to stop playing because they were ignored.

But that is not even the half of it. Null sec isn't ignored. CCP has been constantly trying to tweak and fix null sec while fw has gone pretty much abandoned in a broken state.

If ccp actually worked at fixing fw not only would these fw accounts become more active but there would no doubt be several times more people playing that part of eve.

How they fix it will determine whether this will bring new accounts to eve or just shift existing ones. If they make it a unique fast paced pvp experience they will bring new accounts if they just make it like other slow waiting game pvp experiences (or worse another mechanism to shoot red crosses) they won't.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-12-23 23:42:58 UTC
All I want for Xmas is for CCP Unifex to come and tell us what they are doing to fix FW!!!
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-01-03 03:35:55 UTC
Didn't get my Xmas present...
Suggest a New Years resolution for CCP - engage the FW commuity and tell us what you are doing to fix FW. That way we can make sure it is done right!!!
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