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Why does CCP hate us?

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Doomheim
#21 - 2015-03-24 09:13:04 UTC
*giggles*

Travelling at the speed of love.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#22 - 2015-03-24 09:15:24 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
What's "hard" about putting a skill in your queue and waiting?


It's so much more than that.

There are millions of defunked hulls and modules sitting in assets in EVE because of changes over the years. Assets that only have one out point, PvP, usually defined by large fleet doctrine that cancels out those hulls. Back to what I said about the trust issue. We now fight tooth and nail with CCP in a war to not have them screw us out of our assets. It's unfortunate to say the least.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#23 - 2015-03-24 09:42:29 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
These changes are definately for the better. It just sucks for the people who just now finished training for carriers... at least give them some other role to compensate for disabling drone assist. That's just my opinion.

Ever heard of Triage?

Triage carrier pilots >> Skynet scrubs
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#24 - 2015-03-24 11:19:02 UTC
Ioci wrote:
They don't hate us. The Player, company relationship has fallen victim to the issue that plagues all of EVE. We don't trust them and they don't trust us.
The level of paranoid in this game is pure poison. The level of set back when you don't play it smart and be paranoid is just as poisonous.


Dude not everyone is mentally instable like you
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#25 - 2015-03-24 11:23:48 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
These changes are definately for the better. It just sucks for the people who just now finished training for carriers... at least give them some other role to compensate for disabling drone assist. That's just my opinion.


The whole assigned fighters thing concerned only those who exploited the broken mechanic in bot renter systems from the perfect safety of a POS. It was a way to use a capital ship 100% risk-free for either PVE or PVP, and such doesn't belong in EVE.

Normal carrier gameplay (triage, POS repping, slowcats, using fighters on grid etc) has not been nerfed in any way.



MicDeath Titan
No Mans Corp
#26 - 2015-03-24 11:44:33 UTC
Starry Enigma wrote:
Ok, lets say you trained for fighters, long and hard skill train, cuz you now can be assigning fighters to an alt or fleet members. NO NO, CCP wont let you do that now.

What, we can't make easy isk?

Then again they want high sec people to go and invade null sec systems. If they wanted to hold sov, there are like hundreds of corps/alliances to join. Does CCP really need to revamp SOV for these little leeches?

With no major battles, no major ships lost, what happens to all those who do manufacturing?

Some small alliance spent billions on upgrades, members donated isk for eggs. They felt like it was home. Now a few grievers can come in and take it all away.

Nerf sentries, nerf ships, make jumping almost impossible with fatigue.

Used to be a good 50k people in EVE on weekends a few years ago, now about 38k. What do you think will happen now after these crazy patches?

If CCP hates this game so much, why not just close it? They're taking out so much which people worked for for all these years.

I'm very sad about most of these patch notes, tomorrow's and in June. I've been here for years and hate seeing this wonderful game imploding.



See how you feel about this? This is how I felt when they gave everybody a pos module to compress ore with no skill requirement, and not only that, it has the power of 80 Rorquals and doesn't have a fuel cost of heavy water to compress...
Vaako Omaristos
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-03-24 11:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaako Omaristos
Waaaah. Is that violins I hear in the background

Trader, industrialist and thinker. Follow my progress on my 141 trading challenge here
Paddok Arbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-03-24 11:55:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paddok Arbosa
some of the Nerfs im 100% behinde like the Capital Jump nerf and Yes i am a Carrier pilot and assigne fighters whit your nose sticking out from a POS hell no but the Sov Changes gain 0% support from me right nowe but then agine read abut it is one thing and when its live it can be a ok thing time will tell but the info out right nowe it sounds relly **** up
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#29 - 2015-03-24 11:58:00 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
These changes are definately for the better. It just sucks for the people who just now finished training for carriers... at least give them some other role to compensate for disabling drone assist. That's just my opinion.


The whole assigned fighters thing concerned only those who exploited the broken mechanic in bot renter systems from the perfect safety of a POS. It was a way to use a capital ship 100% risk-free for either PVE or PVP, and such doesn't belong in EVE.

Normal carrier gameplay (triage, POS repping, slowcats, using fighters on grid etc) has not been nerfed in any way.





trained carriers, never used skynetting, i used my carrier on grid with my own fighters, i needed to move my carrier id use the gates with my scout, no fatigue and a crazy rush with a slow-ass aligning ship through null, hopefully the prices of carriers will drop now so i can buy another archon.

i favour these changes

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-03-24 18:01:59 UTC
Not even just remove ability to delegate fighters... removed on-grid assign/defend as well. Only the carrier itself can lock target... plus fighter itself then needs another minute to lock target. fighters are now useless for combat. You can kiss my 10 accounts goodbye.
Felter Echerie
Profit Prophets
#31 - 2015-03-24 18:07:40 UTC
Starry Enigma wrote:


What, we can't make easy isk?





I'll let this hangin here.
Kuga
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-03-24 18:09:00 UTC


*Hands OP a Snickers
flakeys
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-03-24 18:14:25 UTC
OP should leave forged of fire Alliance and join form the forged of tears Alliance .


Forced of salt also works ... Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#34 - 2015-03-24 18:23:16 UTC
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
Not even just remove ability to delegate fighters... removed on-grid assign/defend as well. Only the carrier itself can lock target... plus fighter itself then needs another minute to lock target. fighters are now useless for combat. You can kiss my 10 accounts goodbye.


You're a lying troll. You can still assist to ships on grid.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-03-24 18:25:21 UTC
If you're not chasing skills, or something, you wouldn't sub. They wouldn't make money.

MMO's feed on the basic need for you to want more.
Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2015-03-24 18:28:00 UTC
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
Not even just remove ability to delegate fighters... removed on-grid assign/defend as well. Only the carrier itself can lock target... plus fighter itself then needs another minute to lock target. fighters are now useless for combat. You can kiss my 10 accounts goodbye.


You're a lying troll. You can still assist to ships on grid.

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots, the ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed from right click menus. (Updated on March 23, was originally: "Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.")

I'm going by what patch notes say. I hope I'm wrong and you're right.
Erin Crawford
#37 - 2015-03-24 18:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Erin Crawford
Rowells wrote:
before UAE gets here, dibs on stuff


Hah! pg 3 and still no UAE, he's slacking tonight...
Blink


Oh, and where's ISD Ezwal? I wish i could like his thread closing/locking posts; the comments and reasons he leaves behind are golden! Big smile

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#38 - 2015-03-24 18:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
Aerie Evingod wrote:
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
Not even just remove ability to delegate fighters... removed on-grid assign/defend as well. Only the carrier itself can lock target... plus fighter itself then needs another minute to lock target. fighters are now useless for combat. You can kiss my 10 accounts goodbye.


You're a lying troll. You can still assist to ships on grid.

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots, the ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed from right click menus. (Updated on March 23, was originally: "Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.")

I'm going by what patch notes say. I hope I'm wrong and you're right.


The patch notes are wrong.

CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Siliouba wrote:
Reading from patch notes:

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.


It seems "Assist and Defend" doesn't appears in game for fighters ....
Is this a bug or devs decision?


You are looking at an old version of the patch notes, we have also removed the Assist and Defend options. Capital ships will be re-balanced later this year, we will make them awesome again!
Antonia Iskarius
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-03-24 18:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Antonia Iskarius
Jenn aSide wrote:


The patch notes are wrong.

CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Siliouba wrote:
Reading from patch notes:

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.


It seems "Assist and Defend" doesn't appears in game for fighters ....
Is this a bug or devs decision?


You are looking at an old version of the patch notes, we have also removed the Assist and Defend options. Capital ships will be re-balanced later this year, we will make them awesome again!

Welp... guess I'm taking a vacation. We'll see if I come back later this year after they are 'awesome again'.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#40 - 2015-03-24 18:44:23 UTC
Antonia Iskarius wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


The patch notes are wrong.

CCP Turtlepower wrote:
Siliouba wrote:
Reading from patch notes:

Fighters can no longer be assigned to other pilots. The ‘Delegate Control’ option has been removed and replaced by ‘Assist’ and ‘Defend’, same as other drones.


It seems "Assist and Defend" doesn't appears in game for fighters ....
Is this a bug or devs decision?


You are looking at an old version of the patch notes, we have also removed the Assist and Defend options. Capital ships will be re-balanced later this year, we will make them awesome again!

Welp... guess I'm taking a vacation. We'll see if I come back later this year after they are 'awesome again'.


I'm staying, but for a half second I really wanted to triple box anoms with 1 toon in my Machariel and two carrier toons (aligned at full speed to a POS) assigning 26 fighters to it LOL. CCP must have realized what folks like me would have done had they gone through with it lol.