EVE New Citizens Q&A

After playing this game for almost 3 years I have decided to delete my 2 main characters. I have honestly given up in humanity thanks to EvE. I would just really like to know, if I do decide to come back is there honestly an active corp out there in the whole universe that actually does help one another? So, for all you who love tears, I spent almost 2 bil isk over the month buying ships and moving them to a home station for a corp only to find out said corp only wanted to feed intel to another corp to kill me...Lesson learned right, thats eve...So, the straw that broke the back today? I was trying to find and run ded complexes, finally find one and when im picking up my sentries to go to the last room.....yep some one comes in, jumps the gate, kills the loot rat takes off with the almost 400mil loot says thanks o7 and leaves.....hey, all of this would not be so bad if there truly was a corp who helped new players like myself make money...I've read the forums Ive done level 4 missions and its a grind....Im sick of logging in and hearing about people getting great loot in lowsec with remote rep tengus and billions of isk made in incursions. I simply want a corp that helps not only me, but the entire corp accomplish those goals....Are there decent corps out there? I seriously doubt it.

I did, but it felt as though I left without any swimming lessons into shark infested waters. I spent almost 3 years saving up 4 billion isk only to lose it in a month to a corp who merely wanted to pad a killboard..

chalk that one up as a lesson learned and move on. Or come to the forums and feed the trolls with your yummy yummy tears.

Not sure what you are doing but spending 3 years in high sec to earn 4 Billion isk tells me you are doing more than one thing wrong.

You either want to play this game or you don't if you do try and learn and grow and if you don't then leave. I'm not sure what you think this rant will accomplish except that in all likelihood the people that scammed you are probably searching the forums to see if you came here to cry.

Sure lesson learned, I just don't want to repeat that lesson...i can get my assets back with about 60bucks ot real life money which is about 2 and a half hours of my time IRL....I have just really had several bad experiences with corps in the past...from logging in and being the only one on, to my last experience of getting scammed.....

I think quoting one of the Cardinal Rules of EVE is prudent here:

"Don't trust anyone."

What this actually means is that you should never blindly trust anyone. Not even corpmates.
NOTE: in 6 years of playing and dozens of people I have played with (sometimes for years), I actually trust maybe 3 people with my stuff and especially my money.

Now this does not mean that I won't take a leap of faith every so often. I have to. Otherwise I would not be able to do anything, anywhere, with anyone.
But I only give a conditional kind of trust that has to be built up over time. Especially when I am running with new people and/or doing something I am not completely comfortable with.


For example; say I join a new corporation. I would NEVER tell them exactly how much I have in assets and liquid ISK. Ever.
What I would do instead is bring a few ships that I am reasonably comfortable losing and do some things with my "new friends"... to build up trust. If I lose those ships... oh well. At least my main stash is elsewhere.

And even when I somewhat trust them, I still discreetly move my stuff around and only occasionally ask for help via a private convo with someone... usually when few others are on (to minimize the risk I would be putting myself in).

And even when I completely trust them... I still have a few stashes (which includes a fitted mission running ship and some ammo) littered around in high/low-sec that I can fall back on if everything hits the fan.
It takes time to build up these stashes. And I never tell anyone about them. But it gives some peace of mind.


Point is: becoming part of a corporation doesn't automatically mean you should "trust" people with a green marker next to their names. They have to earn your trust. And you have to earn theirs. It is a gradual process.



To get to the meat of your question/rant: yes, there are corporations out there that are quite newbie friendly. And, ironically enough, those corporations tend NOT the "peaceful" ones.

Given a choice between a mission running "peaceful" corporation and a PvP corporation... take the PvP one.
They tend to be more "honest" about what they do, sometimes see fewer wardecs, and have less AWOXers (because killing corpmembers in a PvP corp is like kicking a a nest of angry badgers).

Moreover, if you gain some measure of trust in a PvP corporation, they might take you along on some "money making trips" and operations... because they need to pay for their equipment at SOME POINT.

Hey there.


i completely understand that you feel pissed.
However deleting your accounts over this is not gonna help you either.

To answer your qeustion, yes there are truly corps out there that help players. lots of them to be honest.
however lots of people mean lots of opinions on what means helping.

are there corps that give you 5 bill just cuz they like your avatar? nope
are there corps willigly to guide you and put you in the right direction? hell yeah.

i cant promise you that we are the bomb here, well we like to hink so but aah well...
however, if you are willingly to give eve online another chance, then you can always send me an ingame mail (i dont check forums often) and i can see what i can do for you, you can always join the corp i'm in, we have lots of people willingly to invest into people, aslong as they are willingly to listen, learn and have some basic patience.

we also live in null. so helping you move or the distance you need to move wont be that much.and isk wise i might be able to help you out aswell ( read giving you some isk/ships, pointing you in the direction, then helping you then releasing you into the big scary world that is eve.)

I dont do this often, but i do think you with 3 years under the belt, can become someone who does get a lot of fun and a thrill out of eve.

its the best thing i can offer right now.
let me know what you think of it ingame mail pls, i barely check the forums often :(

Thing is people with steady time table and blingy ships eventually get in to radar ...

That means in null that it's going to be a hot drop a clock sooner or later.

As far hunting you down if you quit ? I highly doubt they would bother to specifically hunt you unless you've provoked the leader ship in some way.

There are only 4 reasons to ever actively hunt someone in EVE:

1) vengeance as in seriously pissing someone off
2) ISK as in having a 16bil officer loot pinjata in Motsu
3) kb padding as in hello PL
4) protecting you bear ships from hot drops, spies, et c. especially in wh less so in k-space.

That sounds pretty much how my eve started. Yet, when I look back at all the hard time I went through, all the losses, all those gazillion wardecs, people trying to awox and backstab, I am glad and grateful for having also friends here with who you can go forward, who are there to stand up for you and sail with you through these cold, unforgiving waters of eve... Wait.. Is that ocean of tears?

Losses are part of eve. Learn from them and don't get too attached to stuff you own. Eve is so much more than x amount billions of isk. To me its social game with its protagonists and antagonists. Some people choose to play "fair and just" others are as "mean and evil" as the rules stretch to. It's still just a game though.

1. Getting out of null is easy. Get into a ship, set destination and fly there (dont autopilot)
2. Making ISK is easy. This char is less than a week old, still trial, and I started with no SP's, and I am currently sitting on a bank of almost a 100mil.
3. Who cares what that alliance does? If they want to attack you in highsec, they are going to have to waste ISK on a wardec, or suicide gank you. Wardecs is a useless mechanic that is just too easy to avoid (keep an eye on local, move around alot etc.)


So here is what I would do if I was you:

a) Join a nullsec corp, maybe BRAVE. They dont care if you bring targets, hell they would see it as a gift.
OR
b) Join KARMAFLEET (I think its called).
OR
c) Join RvB, which would also appreciate being wardecced
OR
d) Buy a destroyer with the ISK you have left, run a few level 2 missions, buy a cruiser, run a few more missions, buy a battleship and spend a week to earn 1bil in Highsec.
OR
e) Join a lowsec piracy group, tell them what happened, that you want to learn to defend yourself and get back at them. Odds are they would respect that and give you a hand.

The above is just a few things that I would have considered, and you obviously need to find your own way. Just dont give up, because that would give them satisfaction.

If you have made up your mind about deleting your characters.. Don't! Even if you are fed up and want to get rid of them because they "carry" bad experiences be the smart guy and sell them instead. You can make a good amount of ISK selling two 3 year old characters.(if of course the have some skillpoints and didn't stay 2 out of 3 years without skill queue)

Concerning people scheming to gank/kill you, take advantage of you etc, you got it correct : That's EVE. Even the people that don't shoot you or steal from you want to do it. They just don't have enough incentive yet. Give it time

The incident in the DED complex you describe should not throw you off like that. Especially if you've been playing the game for 3ish years. DED complexes are 'free for all' mode. Fastest guy gets the loot and everything is fair game(depending on system's sec status). If they get the killing blow they didn't steal the loot btw. They can steal the loot if you get the killing blow in which case they will go suspect. If you are new to DED farming you have to accept the fact that its a very competitive profession.

Finally if you drool over nullsec loot and ISK go join an established nullsec corp. Farming isk is easy if that is what you want to do. It is pretty boring though. No matter High or Null sec. Also you will find out that null sec Corps do work together to accomplish their goals, be it ISK farming or Alliance strategies, but also require putting personal goals and enjoyment aside at times. It's not for everyone.

Good luck in finding your spot in EVE. o7