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Raven Navy Issue

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Thalos Maedros
69th Canadian Mining Force
#21 - 2015-03-23 04:33:05 UTC
lolcorpholder alt wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I



he is referring to a Raven Navy Issue in his post, your Raven is basic with Turret and Missile Hardpoints, the Navy Issue has no Turret hardpoints.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Aegis Reforged
Already Replaced.
#22 - 2015-03-23 05:31:12 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Target Painter II
Target Painter II


No real reason to ever use a Tech II TP. Meta 4 is just as good and uses less cap.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

Duke Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-03-23 11:00:10 UTC
Since we have high resist I'll drop the dcu for a power diagnostics
Kamahl Daikun
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-03-23 19:19:32 UTC
To be honest, I don't run an active tank RNI.
The amount of damage I take isn't that high. My fit looks something like:

8x Cruise Missile Launcher II

1x Adaptive Invuln II
2x Passive Resist Mods
1x Medium Shield Booster
1x Target Painter
1x MJD

5x Ballistic Control II

Light Drones make quick work of frigates, which are usually the biggest threat. Especially since it seems like most of them are out to web you. Keep Precision and Fury missiles for both scenarios. Sometimes it's straight up faster to take out the Frigates from range with Precisions.
My cap skills aren't maxed so I'm pretty cap stable with all of my active mods running. The MSB is fitted because it soaks up most of the damage I take without draining my cap. MJD for dictating some range, and of course obligatory TPs.

As I said, I don't run an active fit because I just don't like them. My RNI fit still has decent tank, 80%+ resists for the damage type I'm expecting, and it applies damage pretty well with the TPs.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
#25 - 2015-03-23 19:27:39 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
To be honest, I don't run an active tank RNI.
The amount of damage I take isn't that high. My fit looks something like:

8x Cruise Missile Launcher II

1x Adaptive Invuln II
2x Passive Resist Mods
1x Medium Shield Booster
1x Target Painter
1x MJD

5x Ballistic Control II

Light Drones make quick work of frigates, which are usually the biggest threat. Especially since it seems like most of them are out to web you. Keep Precision and Fury missiles for both scenarios. Sometimes it's straight up faster to take out the Frigates from range with Precisions.
My cap skills aren't maxed so I'm pretty cap stable with all of my active mods running. The MSB is fitted because it soaks up most of the damage I take without draining my cap. MJD for dictating some range, and of course obligatory TPs.

As I said, I don't run an active fit because I just don't like them. My RNI fit still has decent tank, 80%+ resists for the damage type I'm expecting, and it applies damage pretty well with the TPs.

Medium shield booster is an active tank...
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2015-03-23 21:52:23 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
To be honest, I don't run an active tank RNI.
The amount of damage I take isn't that high. My fit looks something like:

8x Cruise Missile Launcher II

1x Adaptive Invuln II
2x Passive Resist Mods
1x Medium Shield Booster
1x Target Painter
1x MJD

5x Ballistic Control II

Light Drones make quick work of frigates, which are usually the biggest threat. Especially since it seems like most of them are out to web you. Keep Precision and Fury missiles for both scenarios. Sometimes it's straight up faster to take out the Frigates from range with Precisions.
My cap skills aren't maxed so I'm pretty cap stable with all of my active mods running. The MSB is fitted because it soaks up most of the damage I take without draining my cap. MJD for dictating some range, and of course obligatory TPs.

As I said, I don't run an active fit because I just don't like them. My RNI fit still has decent tank, 80%+ resists for the damage type I'm expecting, and it applies damage pretty well with the TPs.

Medium shield booster is an active tank...

They might mean managed active tank. All the x-large shield booster fits (and I do run them too) are managed fits, where you, the pilot, have to turn it on and off.

The medium shield booster is probably On full time. Meaning that the pilot does not manage it. They just turn on invulnerability and medium shield booster, and go do mission.

Notice also that this pilot did not list their rigs... Might be some ccc rigs there to keep the whole pinata cap stable. Or, since it is only medium shield booster, it is cap stable without any additional mods.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Paranoid Loyd
#27 - 2015-03-23 22:10:16 UTC
Thalos Maedros wrote:
he is referring to a Raven Navy Issue in his post, your Raven is basic with Turret and Missile Hardpoints, the Navy Issue has no Turret hardpoints.
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Fix the Prospect!

Kamahl Daikun
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-03-23 22:48:26 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Chris Winter wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
To be honest, I don't run an active tank RNI.
The amount of damage I take isn't that high. My fit looks something like:

8x Cruise Missile Launcher II

1x Adaptive Invuln II
2x Passive Resist Mods
1x Medium Shield Booster
1x Target Painter
1x MJD

5x Ballistic Control II

Light Drones make quick work of frigates, which are usually the biggest threat. Especially since it seems like most of them are out to web you. Keep Precision and Fury missiles for both scenarios. Sometimes it's straight up faster to take out the Frigates from range with Precisions.
My cap skills aren't maxed so I'm pretty cap stable with all of my active mods running. The MSB is fitted because it soaks up most of the damage I take without draining my cap. MJD for dictating some range, and of course obligatory TPs.

As I said, I don't run an active fit because I just don't like them. My RNI fit still has decent tank, 80%+ resists for the damage type I'm expecting, and it applies damage pretty well with the TPs.

Medium shield booster is an active tank...

They might mean managed active tank. All the x-large shield booster fits (and I do run them too) are managed fits, where you, the pilot, have to turn it on and off.

The medium shield booster is probably On full time. Meaning that the pilot does not manage it. They just turn on invulnerability and medium shield booster, and go do mission.

Notice also that this pilot did not list their rigs... Might be some ccc rigs there to keep the whole pinata cap stable. Or, since it is only medium shield booster, it is cap stable without any additional mods.


^That.
The Adaptive Invuln and MSB are the only active tank mods. Usually when people are referring to active tanking, it's a metric ton of active mods that they turn on/off as needed. Then again, I remember a lot of scorn regarding using passive mods on the RNI so I typically just refer to it as more passive tanked. If there was a passive version of the Adaptive Invuln, I'd be using that too.

I use the MSB because all of the small damage can add up to a lot over time. I'm not blitzing missions so I find it pretty necessary. The build isn't exactly cap stable. You'll eventually run out but if it's taking you 10+ mins to clear a room, you're probably doing something wrong anyway.

I use Rigors and Flares in my Rigs. For a PvE Ship, I didn't wanna use tank/fitting/cap rigs since I can always just go dock up and immediately undock to refill shields if it's absolutely necessary.
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#29 - 2015-03-23 23:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerie Evingod
When people say active tank they are referring to the use of a shield booster or armor repaier. Shields can passive fit, unlike armor, where resists and shield recharge rate provide the tank. Finally there is buffer, though not used often in missions, consists of adding as much extra shield or armor (or structure) hit points and resists.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-03-24 01:56:49 UTC
i have posted this fit often already
used to fly this raven navy loved it, but cant be bothered with missions anymore
its tanked against sansha so resist amps have to be rat specific
ive trained the comp skills to 5 for exactly such cases
im often not even forced to range tank when i watch the triggers mjd is in those cases more a get the **** save

[Raven Navy Issue, mission]
F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Micro Jump Drive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
X-Large Clarity Ward Booster I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x648
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2160
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#31 - 2015-03-24 02:33:27 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Thalos Maedros wrote:
he is referring to a Raven Navy Issue in his post, your Raven is basic with Turret and Missile Hardpoints, the Navy Issue has no Turret hardpoints.
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That's some funny stuff there Loyd. Good find Lol
Duke Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-03-24 02:44:30 UTC
ok removed the DCU and added the power diagnostics which will help more
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Aegis Reforged
Already Replaced.
#33 - 2015-03-24 03:59:38 UTC
Duke Onzo wrote:
ok removed the DCU and added the power diagnostics which will help more


I'm going to pick a nit, but a DCU is a Drone Control Unit; I've gotten into the same habit, myself, of referring to a Damage Control as a DCU.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"

zarhime
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-03-24 06:09:13 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Thalos Maedros wrote:
he is referring to a Raven Navy Issue in his post, your Raven is basic with Turret and Missile Hardpoints, the Navy Issue has no Turret hardpoints.
History Lesson



That's some funny stuff there Loyd. Good find Lol


love how he posted his raven fit like 12 times like no one saw it the first time
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2015-03-24 18:24:34 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
What is it with people and that DCU? It's completely overrated.


not really much else to put in the 5th lowslot, and makes you more unattractive to gank. that said I prefer the signal amp for +scan res +lock range +2 targets. a drone damage amp seems like a decent idea too. I'm open to arguments for other mods, but those seem like the 3 best to me.


I use 3 Ballistic Controls and 2 Power Diagnostics II in my lows.
The Power Diagnostics x2 give me:
10% more shield hit points
17% faster shield recharge rate
10% more capacitor
17% faster capacitor recharge rate
12% more power grid

No Stacking penalty on this mod and the difference in tank is huge.
Caldari Navy version would do even better.


The bonuses are multiplicative, not additive. So slightly more than you're quoting.

And yeah power diags are much underrated IMO.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Duke Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-03-24 21:42:49 UTC
thank you everybody for your help :)
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-03-25 16:31:34 UTC
Duke Onzo wrote:
I am recently going into lvl 4 mission sec, and im goign to be using a raven navy issue.

I currently have no idea how to fit it and i need some help

Please no trolling i really need help!


Honestly, learn in a raven first.

"I don't know how to fit" and "blinged faction battleship" are like fingernails on a chalkboard. Or they certainly should be.


A humble raven range buffer tanking will be an excellent platform to learn from and a hell of a lot easier to recoup from a loss of.

Cruise in the high.
MJD/MWD/TP/TP/INV/INV/LSE in the mids
BCU x4/sigamp in the lows
Rigors in the rigs.

888 DPS with solid application thanks for dual painters and rigors. Fully fit it's half the price of a CNR hull alone. I guarantee you the CNR will not be more than twice as good.

Range is your tank with some buffer for the hits the leak/small stuff. The exception to this is guristas with their magical limitless range torps.

Cut your teeth in the raven first, then go pirate/faction.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#38 - 2015-03-25 18:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Chris Winter wrote:
I maintain that my statement that "flare's don't help against smaller targets, they help against faster targets" is true. It's also a much simpler way of phrasing it for people who may not want to delve into the formulas.

Here's the short version: When your missile explosion radius is less than the target's signature radius, this then offsets any difference in missile explosion velocity and target velocity. The reverse is not true for flares. The only time you would want to fit a flare is if you have 50 or 75 calibration left and cannot fit a rigor.

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