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Address no-force field POS cynos (aka; the "Garage Door Cyno")

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Casper24
L2P Noobs
Warlords of the Deep
#61 - 2015-03-04 23:22:30 UTC
+1

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Matroska
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#62 - 2015-03-04 23:32:01 UTC
+1 fix this rubbish.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#63 - 2015-03-04 23:32:26 UTC
Emizeko Chai wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Honestly, your better bet to get CCP to do something about this is to continue filing petitions.


No, it really isn't. But it's refreshing that you're new enough to EVE to think that.

He's not new, just bad P

+1
The-Wife
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-03-04 23:38:42 UTC
+1
Alexis Nightwish
#65 - 2015-03-05 00:30:46 UTC
+1 here.

Of course I'm of the opinion that cynos shouldn't even be lightable on the same grid as a station/POS/gate/other celestial, so anything to chip away at the bullshit special treatment capital ships have been receiving since RMR is a win in my book really.

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Reina Xyaer
Tha Lench Mob
#66 - 2015-03-05 01:20:47 UTC
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
+1 here.

Of course I'm of the opinion that cynos shouldn't even be lightable on the same grid as a station/POS/gate/other celestial, so anything to chip away at the bullshit special treatment capital ships have been receiving since RMR is a win in my book really.



WTF? Really? So the only location Cyno's should be lightable, according to you, are safe spots? Is that seriously your opinion?

-1

I don't know how POS shields work now, but I think you should be able to turn them off, light a cyno, jump a titan in right next to tower, and power the shields back up. Repeat as many times as you want, but put a cooldown delay on POS shield on/off.
RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#67 - 2015-03-09 10:09:03 UTC
Up again nerds.
DeviloftheHell
Hell's Courtyard
#68 - 2015-03-09 14:24:26 UTC
+1
socos
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#69 - 2015-03-19 00:12:22 UTC
Just read the new patch notes for Scylla.
I was very disappointing that there was no word on this issue.

Please fix this annoying mechanic.
Sadr Dillinger
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#70 - 2015-03-19 22:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sadr Dillinger
I don't think the exam question has been addressed by anyone here, which is:
what drives this behaviour in the first place?...

To which the answer is simple, and most of you know but might prefer not admit...

....POS defences are total, utter, complete garbage, and even if using a 'Deathstar' to cyno into, all the risk is really on the 'lone scrub' pilot, rather than there being risk spread between all parties, including the attackers-in-waiting...


  • Make large turret batteries a genuine threat to Dreadnoughts (and, if managed and setup correctly, supers...)
  • Add an infini-point scrambling battery (75km or 150km range)
  • Prevent Cyno's within 50km (+/- a bit) of the Control Tower itself to prevent "Garage Door"


Do those and you could potentially change behaviours/have interesting possibilities for counter escalations ("oh **** we dropped in and we're all now tackled on an actual Deathstar... HALP!!"). Otherwise, all it is about is "moohaha, dropping 'fishing' fleet on poor scrub in 3, 2...."


(In reality though, it is likely nothing will change, and therefore this thread is redundant, as why would CCP spend any time on the legacy system, now the new one is being developed....)
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#71 - 2015-03-20 07:01:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Typical double standard -

If PL does it, there would be 50 videos of it and 5000 petitions calling for PL to be banished

Some random scrub does it, nothing happens and the videos posted are of them thumbing their noses at someone and all is well cause the "Little Guy" won


Once enough little guys win, it is no longer an exploit if the GM's keep allowing it to happen with no intervention or punishment


You should know by know that things don't get fixed until GSF abuse the ever loving **** out of it.



You should actually provide a list of all the things you've fixed over the years by abusing the boinkboinkboinkboink out of it. I think many folks would then begin to understand and adore the work you do for them. A lot of folks just don't get it.
Alex Quintane
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#72 - 2015-03-23 19:24:37 UTC
+1

This needs attention, Supers and Titans should come with risk, these methods completely rule out the risk involved for moving such ships.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#73 - 2015-03-23 20:06:57 UTC
POS shields are going away. /thread.

But, if they weren't, I would say extend the exclusion zone to 50-75km from the POS itself.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#74 - 2015-03-23 20:28:14 UTC
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
An alternative, somewhat blunter, solution would be to simply have the force field activate automatically with no password when the tower comes online. Corp members would have access by default to prevent the tower owner getting bounced.

This would however kill such tactics as "starbursting" and baiting people with a newly onlined tower and a HIC. I'd be OK with that...

Would not stop the method. What you do is cyno in the super, then place fuel in the tower.

+1 to the OP.

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Alex Quintane
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#75 - 2015-03-23 22:07:06 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
POS shields are going away. /thread.

But, if they weren't, I would say extend the exclusion zone to 50-75km from the POS itself.


Lets just allow people to run along exploiting this for another year then
Ionsei Kubarick
Doomheim
#76 - 2015-06-14 12:06:57 UTC
This is an exploit, and "Star Bursting" isn't? Take them both away, or leave it alone.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#77 - 2015-06-14 13:43:29 UTC
Ionsei Kubarick wrote:
This is an exploit, and "Star Bursting" isn't? Take them both away, or leave it alone.


This is already gone...

As for "Star Bursting" - POS's are also going away.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Myth Shor
Angelic CO
#78 - 2015-06-18 03:37:00 UTC
So what your saying is that there should not be a system that makes something completely safe.


Now where have i seen this befor.......thats right clokey campers but you dont have any problems with that do you.

You gankbears are all the same.